still have sja on the brain

[retro_eidas]

Slight addition to the last post about it, but right now I'm leaning towards - amongst those particular options calapine brought to my attention - the Shadow. Not that I've neglected the Black Guardian option altogether, but .... I don't really think Team Cardiff would put a first appearance of such a big old school nemesis like the Black Guardian in one of the spin-offs (that's an appearance they'd likely save for the flagship show), but I also really like the idea of just a minion of the Black Guardian having that much power. Cuz if a minion has *that* much power to do what he did in WH2SJ, to the point it believes it can threaten the Doctor and apparently not even blink (if it had eyelids... or eyes anyway)? Then what could his master (in his Nu Who incarnation) be capable of? That would be major bad juju y'all and if anyone poses a real, pants-shitting threat to the Doctor? That's the sort of bad juju, I'd imagine, would be able to do it.

However, I'm thinking of it now in conjunction with something I remember in "The Sound of Drums" which, at the time, didn't make a whole lot of sense (and still doesn't, not really)...

Toclafane: "We have to escape! Because it's coming, sir! The darkness! The never-ending darkness. The terrible, terrible cold. We have to run and run and run and run!"

At the time, I just figured they were the "Utopia" humans still reacting to the encroaching end of the universe, despite not being human anymore. However... I had wondered if it may have a bigger meaning than that or at least double entendre. What were the Toclafane (and, possibly, the Master through them, something he might have unconsciously programmed in them) so afraid of? Might the Black Guardian had something to do with that "sound of drums" the Master kept hearing (apart from this supposed retcon madness the Master was apparently suffering from since he was a kid)? Due to the madness or lack of understanding, unable to comprehend what they meant exactly... but he was scared of them and they were driving him mad. If the drums were somehow being caused by the Black Guardian, why wasn't/isn't the Doctor picking up on them? Either the BG is better at concealing himself from the Doctor or could the White Guardian be protecting him (the Doctor)?

From "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane", pt.2:

Hooded Nemesis / Voldemort lookalike: "Chaos is my blood and air and food. You are the key to that chaos, I have been waiting. Searching through time, just the right person and just the right moment. I took you to aide the coming of darkness."

Y HALO THAR Black Guardian speculations!! BG probably would be right at home on, say, the planet Ten/Martha/Jack found Professor Yana and Chantho. The very end of the universe when all the stars are being devoured into nothingness... in utter darkness.

Maybe Rusty has had a grand plan all along? And it's been spilling out all over the place. Bad Wolf? The release of Abaddon? Bilis Manger = another incarnation of the Shadow? As is possibly the black hooded Voldie-type in SJA?

A new Black Guardian trilogy, perhaps for the 2009 specials (and also probably the big send-off for Tennant)? If that's the case, looks like Rusty & posse upgraded BG quite a bit from the bloke with the dead bird on his head (allbeit a powerful, godlike bloke with a bird on his head) he'd been to apocalyptic baddie to end them all?

If it has been the Black Guardian getting up to all this nasty business and manipulating events which span three different shows, wtf has the White Guardian been doing about it? Sending in/guiding his little knights - namely, the Doctor, Jack & Sarah Jane and their respective companions - before things get too disastrous, unbeknownst to any of them? However, as benevolent gods do, not actually intervening? What was he doing while the Time War was in full thrall? If we are getting BG back and he has had big bad juju upgrade, I'd bet anything it would turn out he probably had something to do with starting the Time War.

**Also, there are "Doctor Who" spoilers (or huge rumors which are hardly spoilers, but I'll call them spoilers to be on the safe side) in the comments.**

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[eido.livejournal.com]

Oh Lord, that makes so much sense it's kind of scary. It would make a fabulous fic.

I actually remember reading a plotty thing ages ago, not about Rose specifically (although she was in it), where the Doctor actually accepted Finch's offer in "School Reunion" and he went all terrifying godhead-gone-completely-wrong. Romana was also in it. I think God!Ten killed Death, Time and Pain in them? It was quite good and wish I could remember who wrote it.

Presumably because he's embarrassed to be seen in public with a bird on his head.

*snorts* Or he must have gotten tired of getting nasty letters from the Audubon Society.

I would hope that Rose has too much common sense to fall for such a bargain, though -- unlike Andrea, and even Turlough, she should have an idea of how much destruction a powerful being like that can bring. But even the temptation is a tantalising thought.

There is something of a fascination in a hero not only failing, but succumbing to the darkside, y? Although she wouldn't really know what she'd be getting into (but bargains like this, you can always tell the character is all but ignoring that little warning voice in the back of their minds). BG is tricksy like that, tells you exactly what you'd want to hear as any good manipulator/con artist. Has eternity's practice at it, he'd best be good at it.

If it was just examples like Turlough or more recently SJA's Andrea I probably wouldn't even be thinking of this, but then there's the "Torchwood" s1 finale (but, heh, that's Torchwood) and then the Doctor's temptation in "School Reunion". Probably other examples I'm forgetting. Some of those Who villains do love their unholy bargaining. BG would be like the ultimate in that regard... and at the mo' and based on from when we last saw her, I'd say Rose would be most vulnerable and the prospects of that are equal parts scary / brilliant.

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

That fic was "Bad Gods" by calapine. *is incredibly helpful*

[eido.livejournal.com]

Yes you is!! Thank you!!