new fandom + the quincy key
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retro_eidasJust when I can't possibly be barraged with yet another fandom... another comes along of course. Within a few months, "Firefly" infected me like the plague. Then SGA came along. The newest edition to obsessive-compulsive speculating insanity? Bleach. For the non-otaku and/or minus a DLing fetish, you might not be familiar with this slice of fanon and thus this entry will mean absolutely nothing. However, it's the current hot item in anime... and my soul is all but it's bitch at the moment.
Also special thanks to new friends![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
_debbiechan_ and mrs_urahara that propagate the :cough:hot Quincy:cough: speculating madness. Since I can't seem to join a fandom without being able to nerdily speculate about it ad infinitum, I'm not sure these poor folks realize what they've gotten themselves into. If either of you bother to read this, I apologize. A lot of it will be retread from bits of our "Significant Filler" discussion over at ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
soul_society.
"The person who will protect this era... A Quincy is this key person." (not verbatim)
Oh the ridiculous amount of questions that statement has made for me... but it makes the sad, sad fangirl tingly in more naughty parts than I'd care to admit.
What exactly did Yoshino mean by a Quincy being "the key to save this era"? How do the Bound know this piece of information? Sounds like the makings of an impending prophecy reveal to me. Ishida part of some massive Bound prophecy... or just a prophecy in general? Something not necessarily limited to the Bound? Ryuuken? Souken? The Quincy (at least prior their genocide)? Perhaps more importantly (and scarily), the Shinigami?
Entirely hypotheticaly speaking... if the (or some... I'd say, Aizen and probably some or all of deceased Central 46) of the Shinigami are aware of this speculated prophecy regarding the Quincy and if the nature of the prophecy were threatening/apocalyptic/universe-altering/etc etc enough... What kind of precautions might they have taken? We already know now what they're capable of regarding those damn obstinate Quincy, so stubborn and proud to the point of imbalancing and threatening the end of the world they had to be permanently removed from the equation (or so we're told)... could they be capable of much more? Taking a look at Aizen, Gin and Mayuri... or hell, even those with 'good' intentions as Tousen, Yamamoto, Hinamori, Urahara and Byakuya... I'm truthfully afraid of the full extent of things they're capable of (whether it's willfully or unintentionally... by duty, honor, curiosity, misplaced justice or manipulation). Whatever their intentions. Who watches the Watchmen, indeed.
Was Mayuri purely satisfying his own insatiably sick curiousity regarding all his (apparently, mass amounts of) Quincy experiments? Or was there something more to it than that? Was he also going by orders? Orders from whom?
Was the Quincy Extermination of 200 years ago really unavoidable? Furthermore, if the extermination was such a "hard" decision as Rukia was told (via Urahara presumedly)... why or how did Mayuri get access to desecrate so many (I believe the number ranged around 1600+) Quincy for the sake of his experiments? Was he just that sly he could abscond with that many souls and go unnoticed? He doesn't seem to take much tact in keeping the Quincy experiments a secret if they're supposed to be secret (hell, he apparently carried around a memento on his person of at least one of the his favorite test subjects... Uryuu's grandfather/sensei, Souken) and he was talking about said experiments openly in Soul Society. Cpt. Kyouraku's departing comments to him in ep71 would also make me lean towards Mayuri's hobbies not necessarily secrets (and what does Kyouraku and possibly the other Shinigami know exactly about those hobbies?). I do unfortunately find it hard to believe the Shinigami didn't have some general idea what was happening to those Quincy. If Ryuuken has any kind of fuel in reigniting Uryuu's hatred of the Death Gods, this probably would be his coup de grace.
In regards to the above paragraph... one could speculate every action Ryuuken has taken was in part of some greater purpose, one that he believes (as did Souken?) is destined for Uryuu.
What exactly did Urahara do that was so bad that led to his exile from Soul Society? Particularly considering some of Mengele-taicho's hobbies (and he isn't only still partaking in said hobbies, but is the current 12th Division Captain. The frickin' promoted him. Jesus). What did he do that was so much worse than what Mayuri has done/is doing? Sure the Hogyoku could be bad enough. However... I do wonder if Mayuri has friends in very high places. He may not have ascended intoHellHeaven a la Aizen, but another compadre perhaps?
I'm also wondering if Urahara's exile was so involuntary as it sounds. The word "exile" tends to exclaim 'involuntary', of course and I don't doubt it was completely serious and all forcible on the part of Shinigami's ruling body ... but I can't help but wonder just a little 'self-imposed' might factor in as well? Ditto Tessai (who I'd bet anything was Urahara's koutaicho), Yoriuchi and Isshin. I mean to say, Urahara might not have completely regretted leaving. Urahara, possibly Tessai, Yoriuchi and Isshin... all were in *high* positions of power. Until they were just... not anymore. Could it be they may have learned some very dirty and very ugly secrets about SS and wanted to leave (in utter moral disagreement and possibly in fear of their lives. Loose lips sinkhellheaven-bound ships, after all)? Yoruichi took it all a step further and was apparently all but *dead* to the Shinigami for a CENTURY. Since I don't follow the manga as closely as I probably should... I'd guess Isshin also possibly faked his death (my guess? Kenpachi believes he'd killed him. Isshin just screams former 11th Division taicho to me).
And on an entirely unrelated venue... what the hell is Cpt. Komamura? Unfortunate recipient of a high level demon spell gone bad? Youkai? Possibly more likely, a hanyou (he seems to have a similar sort of shame/angst as young Inuyasha did. Consequence of a taboo youkai/human union... and made to feel that way most of his life, up until meeting Commander Yamamoto and Tousen)?
Also special thanks to new friends
_debbiechan_ and mrs_urahara that propagate the :cough:hot Quincy:cough: speculating madness. Since I can't seem to join a fandom without being able to nerdily speculate about it ad infinitum, I'm not sure these poor folks realize what they've gotten themselves into. If either of you bother to read this, I apologize. A lot of it will be retread from bits of our "Significant Filler" discussion over at soul_society.Oh the ridiculous amount of questions that statement has made for me... but it makes the sad, sad fangirl tingly in more naughty parts than I'd care to admit.
What exactly did Yoshino mean by a Quincy being "the key to save this era"? How do the Bound know this piece of information? Sounds like the makings of an impending prophecy reveal to me. Ishida part of some massive Bound prophecy... or just a prophecy in general? Something not necessarily limited to the Bound? Ryuuken? Souken? The Quincy (at least prior their genocide)? Perhaps more importantly (and scarily), the Shinigami?
Entirely hypotheticaly speaking... if the (or some... I'd say, Aizen and probably some or all of deceased Central 46) of the Shinigami are aware of this speculated prophecy regarding the Quincy and if the nature of the prophecy were threatening/apocalyptic/universe-altering/etc etc enough... What kind of precautions might they have taken? We already know now what they're capable of regarding those damn obstinate Quincy, so stubborn and proud to the point of imbalancing and threatening the end of the world they had to be permanently removed from the equation (or so we're told)... could they be capable of much more? Taking a look at Aizen, Gin and Mayuri... or hell, even those with 'good' intentions as Tousen, Yamamoto, Hinamori, Urahara and Byakuya... I'm truthfully afraid of the full extent of things they're capable of (whether it's willfully or unintentionally... by duty, honor, curiosity, misplaced justice or manipulation). Whatever their intentions. Who watches the Watchmen, indeed.
Was Mayuri purely satisfying his own insatiably sick curiousity regarding all his (apparently, mass amounts of) Quincy experiments? Or was there something more to it than that? Was he also going by orders? Orders from whom?
Was the Quincy Extermination of 200 years ago really unavoidable? Furthermore, if the extermination was such a "hard" decision as Rukia was told (via Urahara presumedly)... why or how did Mayuri get access to desecrate so many (I believe the number ranged around 1600+) Quincy for the sake of his experiments? Was he just that sly he could abscond with that many souls and go unnoticed? He doesn't seem to take much tact in keeping the Quincy experiments a secret if they're supposed to be secret (hell, he apparently carried around a memento on his person of at least one of the his favorite test subjects... Uryuu's grandfather/sensei, Souken) and he was talking about said experiments openly in Soul Society. Cpt. Kyouraku's departing comments to him in ep71 would also make me lean towards Mayuri's hobbies not necessarily secrets (and what does Kyouraku and possibly the other Shinigami know exactly about those hobbies?). I do unfortunately find it hard to believe the Shinigami didn't have some general idea what was happening to those Quincy. If Ryuuken has any kind of fuel in reigniting Uryuu's hatred of the Death Gods, this probably would be his coup de grace.
In regards to the above paragraph... one could speculate every action Ryuuken has taken was in part of some greater purpose, one that he believes (as did Souken?) is destined for Uryuu.
What exactly did Urahara do that was so bad that led to his exile from Soul Society? Particularly considering some of Mengele-taicho's hobbies (and he isn't only still partaking in said hobbies, but is the current 12th Division Captain. The frickin' promoted him. Jesus). What did he do that was so much worse than what Mayuri has done/is doing? Sure the Hogyoku could be bad enough. However... I do wonder if Mayuri has friends in very high places. He may not have ascended into
I'm also wondering if Urahara's exile was so involuntary as it sounds. The word "exile" tends to exclaim 'involuntary', of course and I don't doubt it was completely serious and all forcible on the part of Shinigami's ruling body ... but I can't help but wonder just a little 'self-imposed' might factor in as well? Ditto Tessai (who I'd bet anything was Urahara's koutaicho), Yoriuchi and Isshin. I mean to say, Urahara might not have completely regretted leaving. Urahara, possibly Tessai, Yoriuchi and Isshin... all were in *high* positions of power. Until they were just... not anymore. Could it be they may have learned some very dirty and very ugly secrets about SS and wanted to leave (in utter moral disagreement and possibly in fear of their lives. Loose lips sink
And on an entirely unrelated venue... what the hell is Cpt. Komamura? Unfortunate recipient of a high level demon spell gone bad? Youkai? Possibly more likely, a hanyou (he seems to have a similar sort of shame/angst as young Inuyasha did. Consequence of a taboo youkai/human union... and made to feel that way most of his life, up until meeting Commander Yamamoto and Tousen)?
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Date: 2006-03-21 03:23 am (UTC)Speaking of Toriyama, my obsession with the Dragonball universe led me to notice the different colors in anime power auras. Groups of like villains shared the same color (yellow)--the heroes were red and I can't remember but maybe some spirit/demon creatures were blue. The chakra/aura motif be one well-known among animators but I haven't watched enough shounen anime to really notice if there's care given to coloring beyond what looks spectacularly cool in any given frame.
More later but my five year old is covered in spagghetti sauce.
Yes Isshin/Ryuuken crackfic is to die for Peroxidefic17 writes some of the most hilarious drabbles.
And now for something completely different: If you had to choose between Isshin and Ryuuken for a one-night stand, who would it be?
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Date: 2006-03-21 03:41 am (UTC)I might start a new post just for the massive Quincy Conspiracy topic alone (apart from the initial Quincy Key stuff)... I think between myself and
First off, I am now convinced of Aizen's unredeemable EBIL due to Eido's take on him. Kubo will give him a past but he's beyond redemption
And I do think Aizen pretty much scrambled for the Hogyoku realizing it could give him massive godlike powers... but not knowing how or why it worked so much. Only an insane, power-hungry meglomaniac would do something like that to himself strictly on the basis of gaining more power.
as is Mayuri.
That goes without saying methinks. Sick, sick bastard. No way, no how is what he's done redeemable.
Speaking of Toriyama, my obsession with the Dragonball universe led me to notice the different colors in anime power auras. Groups of like villains shared the same color (yellow)--the heroes were red and I can't remember but maybe some spirit/demon creatures were blue. The chakra/aura motif be one well-known among animators but I haven't watched enough shounen anime to really notice if there's care given to coloring beyond what looks spectacularly cool in any given frame.
I was going around examining screencaps of the various shikai/bankai. It might be worth noting Komamura and Renji both have very similar red power auras... incidentally, they're two of the only characters associated with animals. However, I think Ikkaku's might be red too. Also Byakuya's and Yachiru's powers are both a very similar pink... and I can't figure out a connection between them. The auras could very well be just for show.
And now for something completely different: If you had to choose between Isshin and Ryuuken for a one-night stand, who would it be?
Due to my shameful, powerful lusting after Uryuu... I'd say my vote has to go to Ryuuken, even if he is bastard incarnate (Uryuu is his spitting image and *he's legal*! Yay! Unfortunately just as fictional as his animated progeny. BAH!! Damn you Kubo-san and your wickedly talented brush).
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Date: 2006-03-21 04:35 am (UTC)Due to my shameful, powerful lusting after Uryuu... I'd say my vote has to go to Ryuuken, even if he is bastard incarnate (Uryuu is his spitting image and *he's legal*! Yay! Unfortunately just as fictional as his animated progeny. BAH!! Damn you Kubo-san and your wickedly talented brush).
Yeah, gotta agree with ya there. Ryuuken in a heartbeat. Love Isshin and would marry the guy and have him throw my kids into walls but damn, RYUUUUUUKEN. *lowers voice so Uryuu won't overhear* He's actually hotter than his son, only not as likable...if only Kubo would reveal Ryuuken's hidden mysterious KNITTING AND CROCHETING POWERS!
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Date: 2006-03-22 03:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-22 01:11 pm (UTC)Both? :-D
Actually, Uryuu. Hot tatooed redheads aren't as appealing to me at the moment. My 5 yr old daughter, however, is a total Renji fangirl. She wants to marry him.
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Date: 2006-03-23 01:20 am (UTC)Both? :-D
Sounds just about as good as an Ukitake / Shunsui sandwich. ;)
My 5 yr old daughter, however, is a total Renji fangirl.
Uh oh... let's hope she doesn't remember that certain fangirliness 10 or so years down the road. Of course... there was no "Bleach" in my youth, but I brought the scary muscles, tattoos and technicolor-hair boyfriends home to meet mom and dad a few times anyway. *sighs*
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Date: 2006-03-25 04:40 pm (UTC)if he were real...so help me god...i'd be a stalker...though, if isshin, utikake, shunsui were real too...hell half the characters...i'd be a SERIAL stalker, heh-heh. ;p
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Date: 2006-03-25 11:37 pm (UTC)Which is fitting... since they're all essentially (hella gorgeous) gods. ;) Watching shounen like this just makes the sad, sad fangirly side of me take an all new appreciation for San Juan de la Cruz (http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/POESIA/NOCHEOEN.HTM). heee
Re: the religious experience
Date: 2006-03-26 02:14 pm (UTC)and you are right...i forgot they ARE gods...
Great. this just adds another blasphemous thing i am doing to drag my catholic upbringing thru the mud (not that i practice this religion..or any for that matter, now...but): breaking the commandment of worshipping false gods. heh=heh. Makes more EXCITING now. heehee
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Date: 2006-03-25 04:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-25 04:40 pm (UTC)And Kubo-san answered some of his fanmail in Radio Kon!
The Jump omakes are currently not being translated. I wonder what we're missing in terms of stuff like that... :-C
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Date: 2006-03-25 07:58 pm (UTC)I thought you can download the Omakes? (you mean the "special chapters" and stuff?)
i want to go to japan soo badly. Yukiko, my dear friend, said she would go with me. It's really cheap to go...but, i know that I would have to go with SOOOO Much cash...or an ample credit line, to be able to buy even 1/5 of the Bleach stuff i'll see there. ^___^
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Date: 2006-03-25 05:20 pm (UTC)hmmmm...isshin or Ryuujen for a one-night stand....that's tough...but..I'd have to say my boy Isshin. He's more "manly" to me...and i am soooo not into the "manly men" (at least i don't think so...but Kubo-san seems to prove me wrong, there). THere is something about his burliness. I just can imagine running my hands down that hunk of man. ;P