retro_eidas

Just when I can't possibly be barraged with yet another fandom... another comes along of course. Within a few months, "Firefly" infected me like the plague. Then SGA came along. The newest edition to obsessive-compulsive speculating insanity? Bleach. For the non-otaku and/or minus a DLing fetish, you might not be familiar with this slice of fanon and thus this entry will mean absolutely nothing. However, it's the current hot item in anime... and my soul is all but it's bitch at the moment.

Also special thanks to new friends

_debbiechan_ and

mrs_urahara that propagate the :cough:hot Quincy:cough: speculating madness. Since I can't seem to join a fandom without being able to nerdily speculate about it ad infinitum, I'm not sure these poor folks realize what they've gotten themselves into. If either of you bother to read this, I apologize. A lot of it will be retread from bits of our "Significant Filler" discussion over at

soul_society.

"The person who will protect this era... A Quincy is this key person." (not verbatim)
Oh the ridiculous amount of questions that statement has made for me... but it makes the sad, sad fangirl tingly in more naughty parts than I'd care to admit.

What exactly did Yoshino mean by a Quincy being "the key to save this era"? How do the Bound know this piece of information? Sounds like the makings of an impending prophecy reveal to me. Ishida part of some massive Bound prophecy... or just a prophecy in general? Something not necessarily limited to the Bound? Ryuuken? Souken? The Quincy (at least prior their genocide)? Perhaps more importantly (and scarily), the Shinigami?

Entirely hypotheticaly speaking... if the (or some... I'd say, Aizen and probably some or all of deceased Central 46) of the Shinigami are aware of this speculated prophecy regarding the Quincy and if the nature of the prophecy were threatening/apocalyptic/universe-altering/etc etc enough... What kind of precautions might they have taken? We already know now what they're capable of regarding those damn obstinate Quincy, so stubborn and proud to the point of imbalancing and threatening the end of the world they had to be permanently removed from the equation (or so we're told)... could they be capable of much more? Taking a look at Aizen, Gin and Mayuri... or hell, even those with 'good' intentions as Tousen, Yamamoto, Hinamori, Urahara and Byakuya... I'm truthfully afraid of the full extent of things they're capable of (whether it's willfully or unintentionally... by duty, honor, curiosity, misplaced justice or manipulation). Whatever their intentions. Who watches the Watchmen, indeed.

Was Mayuri purely satisfying his own insatiably sick curiousity regarding all his (apparently, mass amounts of) Quincy experiments? Or was there something more to it than that? Was he also going by orders? Orders from whom?

Was the Quincy Extermination of 200 years ago really unavoidable? Furthermore, if the extermination was such a "hard" decision as Rukia was told (via Urahara presumedly)... why or how did Mayuri get access to desecrate so many (I believe the number ranged around 1600+) Quincy for the sake of his experiments? Was he just that sly he could abscond with that many souls and go unnoticed? He doesn't seem to take much tact in keeping the Quincy experiments a secret if they're supposed to be secret (hell, he apparently carried around a memento on his person of at least one of the his favorite test subjects... Uryuu's grandfather/sensei, Souken) and he was talking about said experiments openly in Soul Society. Cpt. Kyouraku's departing comments to him in ep71 would also make me lean towards Mayuri's hobbies not necessarily secrets (and what does Kyouraku and possibly the other Shinigami know exactly about those hobbies?). I do unfortunately find it hard to believe the Shinigami didn't have some general idea what was happening to those Quincy. If Ryuuken has any kind of fuel in reigniting Uryuu's hatred of the Death Gods, this probably would be his coup de grace.

In regards to the above paragraph... one could speculate every action Ryuuken has taken was in part of some greater purpose, one that he believes (as did Souken?) is destined for Uryuu.

What exactly did Urahara do that was so bad that led to his exile from Soul Society? Particularly considering some of Mengele-taicho's hobbies (and he isn't only still partaking in said hobbies, but is the current 12th Division Captain. The frickin' promoted him. Jesus). What did he do that was so much worse than what Mayuri has done/is doing? Sure the Hogyoku could be bad enough. However... I do wonder if Mayuri has friends in very high places. He may not have ascended into ~~Hell~~Heaven a la Aizen, but another compadre perhaps?

I'm also wondering if Urahara's exile was so involuntary as it sounds. The word "exile" tends to exclaim 'involuntary', of course and I don't doubt it was completely serious and all forcible on the part of Shinigami's ruling body ... but I can't help but wonder just a little 'self-imposed' might factor in as well? Ditto Tessai (who I'd bet anything was Urahara's koutaicho), Yoriuchi and Isshin. I mean to say, Urahara might not have completely regretted leaving. Urahara, possibly Tessai, Yoriuchi and Isshin... all were in *high* positions of power. Until they were just... not anymore. Could it be they may have learned some very dirty and very ugly secrets about SS and wanted to leave (in utter moral disagreement and possibly in fear of their lives. Loose lips sink ~~hell~~heaven-bound ships, after all)? Yoruichi took it all a step further and was apparently all but *dead* to the Shinigami for a CENTURY. Since I don't follow the manga as closely as I probably should... I'd guess Isshin also possibly faked his death (my guess? Kenpachi believes he'd killed him. Isshin just screams former 11th Division taicho to me).

And on an entirely unrelated venue... what the hell is Cpt. Komamura? Unfortunate recipient of a high level demon spell gone bad? Youkai? Possibly more likely, a hanyou (he seems to have a similar sort of shame/angst as young Inuyasha did. Consequence of a taboo youkai/human union... and made to feel that way most of his life, up until meeting Commander Yamamoto and Tousen)?

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From:

mrs-urahara.livejournal.com

..."again, Urahara afraid of how Isshin might react or might not understand if he found out."

ahhh i seee. Isshin MAY have been clueless about the possibility of what would happen with a quincy/shinigami union. WHICH, urahara being the founder of the "reasearch" beureau in SS, he would KNOW the reasoning behind the genecide of quincies. Isshin, may have only know the "official" reason: to restore the balance of spiritual power. so then, perhaps, Isshin was not really concerned about it, until the hollows started coming back in town, until Rukia appeared. OR, maybe he sensed something different, and when he saw things coming to a head, that's when Urahara stepped in and offered his assistance to Isshin, with Urahara having his own motive (he knows Ichigo's potential and uses it to retrieve his Hyuogaku back from SS). he did the same with rukia, conveniently showing up to "help" her in the human world, having his own motive. Albeit, his motives are not bad...but he is a capricorn...heh-heh (no offense if you are one. but the men definitely seem to behave in the same way, at least--datea a couple--ANYHOO)

you are sooo onto something here!

From:

eido.livejournal.com

ahhh i seee. Isshin MAY have been clueless about the possibility of what would happen with a quincy/shinigami union.

I'd guess that IF it were big enough (and I'm guessing this whole situation IS indeed very, very big), even if he was crazy in love with Masaki, he might not have gone through with their relationship or at least not had kids. But, I suppose, if a prophecy (or prophecies) does exist... if it hadn't been Isshin/Masaki, it would have been another forbidden Shinigami/Quincy pair eventually.

WHICH, urahara being the founder of the "reasearch" beureau in SS, he would KNOW the reasoning behind the genecide of quincies.

And Urahara probably would be one of the very few who would know (maybe Yoruichi and Tessai know too) ... thanks to his research. Maybe Aizen (and through him, his subordinates) might know from snooping in Urahara's old records, but I doubt they know (otherwise the Ishidas would probably be dead). I think all the Quincy (also possibly Bound) information - along with everything on how to create a Hogyoku - was deleted by Urahara as not for the likes of Aizen to find it... and thus give someone like him reason to destroy the remaining Quincy, if the likes of Aizen wanted the Hogyoku only for themselves. Maybe Mayuri knows, but he doesn't seem quite as intelligent as Urahara, so I doubt him as well (I don't think he even began to touch the level of Urahara's experiments like the Hogyoku... although he might have tried, via the mass horrific Quincy experimentations). Mayuri might not even be aware there's a direct Quincy role to the Hogyoku creation at all ... he may have just been experimenting on Quincy knowing Urahara had some kind of interest in them but never figuring out what that interest was exactly.

I'd guess some in Central 46 might have probably known... not that that would matter now if absolutely none of them survived. Funny if Aizen had kept some of them alive, they might have eventually told him about the true nature of Hogyoku, the key to the Shinigami/Hollow connection (the Quincy) and how it's all tied to the Quincy extermination of 200 years ago... but alas, he slaughtered them all without mercy. Idiot.

Isshin, may have only know the "official" reason: to restore the balance of spiritual power.

Like, possibly, most of the Shinigami.

OR, maybe he sensed something different

Even if he sensed something different, he could have just passed it off due to his kids having Quincy blood. If he sought council with Urahara and Urahara - genius and former head of 12th Division - was not being wholly truthful and telling him not to worry about it... more reason why Isshin probably isn't as concerned as he probably should be.

(he knows Ichigo's potential and uses it to retrieve his Hyuogaku back from SS). he did the same with rukia, conveniently showing up to "help" her in the human world, having his own motive.

Which could count for Urahara's incredible luck again... turns out Ichigo and Rukia seem to be quite attached to each other. Ichigo was going to charge into Soul Society with Urahara's help or not.

From:

mrs-urahara.livejournal.com

even if he was crazy in love with Masaki, he might not have gone through with their relationship or at least not had kids.
---i think he still would have done it. Love makes us do the craziest things. It blinds us. ANd, i think he would have foregone everything that he was told in order to be with the woman he loves. I mean, i think about the beginning of the manga, where he has that poster dedicated to her. His love for masaki is just as strong as it was when she was alive. I think they had a love that was incomprehensible. maybe even moreso for Isshin than Masaki. *sigh* sooo romantic.

Maybe Mayuri knows, but he doesn't seem quite as intelligent as Urahara, so I doubt him as well (I don't think he even began to touch the level of Urahara's experiments like the Hogyoku
---TOTALLY. Mayuri PALES in comparison to Urahara. I would not doubt if even Aizen, to some degree, pales in comparison to him too. What really triggered that for me, was how Urahara was able to ward of the Arrancar better than the rest of the clan thwarting the respective arrancar in their battles. Also, the way isshin so easily discarded the Grand Fisher makes me wonder if he may have "keys" to unlock Ichigo's power. Seeing Ichigo does not know the real truth about his father, and most likely Masaki, it may awaken something inside him to be able to "save" and "protect" his friends, family, and the world from Aizen's control. just a thought.

Urahara - genius and former head of 12th Division - was not being wholly truthful and telling him not to worry about it... more reason why Isshin probably isn't as concerned as he probably should be.
---ahhh my Urahara he's a sly one. LURV it. ;p

Which could count for Urahara's incredible luck again... turns out Ichigo and Rukia seem to be quite attached to each other. Ichigo was going to charge into Soul Society with Urahara's help or not.
---how wonderfully convenient for smexy urahara, neh?

From:

eido.livejournal.com

i think he still would have done it. Love makes us do the craziest things. It blinds us.

You're probably right... considering how - reckless and kind of insane - Isshin seems to be? He probably would have chased Masaki, be damned the consequences. ;)

Also, the way isshin so easily discarded the Grand Fisher makes me wonder if he may have "keys" to unlock Ichigo's power.

I mentioned earlier I re-read the recent manga chapters... and I think I'm going to have to retract my spec about Isshin not knowing. Re-reading it, there definitely seemed to be some familiarity between Urahara and Isshin regarding the Arrancar. Isshin almost gave the impression he knew more about them than Urahara did. If there is something odd with Ichigo (and there definitely is), I think I'm going to have to say Urahara and Isshin probably are on the same page about it.

From:

mrs-urahara.livejournal.com

"You're probably right... considering how - reckless and kind of insane - Isshin seems to be? He probably would have chased Masaki, be damned the consequences."

--that's my smexy shinigami pappa for you. I think his reckless abandon and "adorkable" ways (love that word) has to do with perhaps not wanting his children to get any sort of suspicion about him having this secret past and also as a way to make up for the loss of having a mother. So, he becomes an over-parent with them? what really made me rethink why Isshin behaves as this was when he admitting to knowing WHAT Kon was and how Isshin played "dumb" the whole time. I started to think: maybe part of his crazy and rambunctious fatherly ways have to do with "playing dumb". ANd, he is a doctor, which made me think, that he is alot smarter than what he leads to be.

--i have to reread the recent chapters myself. I download them, read them, then throw them out...i don't have much space on my harddrive for them..need to buy more cds, then i'll just burn them so i can revist them later. I am busy downloading the past episodes, i have watched. I bought this CRAPPY version on ebay..to catch up with eps 45-now and the CD became corrupted after a couple runs. SO, i am direct downloading from bleachportal and will burn them to DVD.
it's really good to have the manga on hand (well, on cd, for now) because discussions like these always seem to need that "reference" book on hand AND, i find, opens up to more layers of the topic discussed.

"Isshin almost gave the impression he knew more about them than Urahara did. If there is something odd with Ichigo (and there definitely is), I think I'm going to have to say Urahara and Isshin probably are on the same page about it."
--yeh, from what i remember, it almost seems like he is on par with Urahara, not only with regards to information, but to his power as well. This is what makes me think he was a taicho..not a fukutaicho. You know Kubo-san is going to dish the whole delightful dirt on Isshin's past, thereby, my hopes, revealing Masaki and his relationship.
--I hope Kubo continues to keeps his writing tight and succinct and not end up like Takahashi with Inuyahsa, whom I deem, got caught up so much in milking that cash cow, the storyline SUFFERED! It was like C'MON!!! wrap it up already! I lost interest in that a LONG LONG TIME AGO.
I enjoy mangas/animes that run the marathon. they run it. they finish it. LIke Rurouni Kenshin, COwboy Bebop, and FMA. Some Mangaka's think it's more like a run/walk marathon: they start out running the first 12 miles adn get your adreline going, only to walk the rest, stopping to get a cup of water at EVERY dang spot its available. neh?
heh-heh ;P