new fandom + the quincy key
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retro_eidasJust when I can't possibly be barraged with yet another fandom... another comes along of course. Within a few months, "Firefly" infected me like the plague. Then SGA came along. The newest edition to obsessive-compulsive speculating insanity? Bleach. For the non-otaku and/or minus a DLing fetish, you might not be familiar with this slice of fanon and thus this entry will mean absolutely nothing. However, it's the current hot item in anime... and my soul is all but it's bitch at the moment.
Also special thanks to new friends![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
_debbiechan_ and mrs_urahara that propagate the :cough:hot Quincy:cough: speculating madness. Since I can't seem to join a fandom without being able to nerdily speculate about it ad infinitum, I'm not sure these poor folks realize what they've gotten themselves into. If either of you bother to read this, I apologize. A lot of it will be retread from bits of our "Significant Filler" discussion over at ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
soul_society.
"The person who will protect this era... A Quincy is this key person." (not verbatim)
Oh the ridiculous amount of questions that statement has made for me... but it makes the sad, sad fangirl tingly in more naughty parts than I'd care to admit.
What exactly did Yoshino mean by a Quincy being "the key to save this era"? How do the Bound know this piece of information? Sounds like the makings of an impending prophecy reveal to me. Ishida part of some massive Bound prophecy... or just a prophecy in general? Something not necessarily limited to the Bound? Ryuuken? Souken? The Quincy (at least prior their genocide)? Perhaps more importantly (and scarily), the Shinigami?
Entirely hypotheticaly speaking... if the (or some... I'd say, Aizen and probably some or all of deceased Central 46) of the Shinigami are aware of this speculated prophecy regarding the Quincy and if the nature of the prophecy were threatening/apocalyptic/universe-altering/etc etc enough... What kind of precautions might they have taken? We already know now what they're capable of regarding those damn obstinate Quincy, so stubborn and proud to the point of imbalancing and threatening the end of the world they had to be permanently removed from the equation (or so we're told)... could they be capable of much more? Taking a look at Aizen, Gin and Mayuri... or hell, even those with 'good' intentions as Tousen, Yamamoto, Hinamori, Urahara and Byakuya... I'm truthfully afraid of the full extent of things they're capable of (whether it's willfully or unintentionally... by duty, honor, curiosity, misplaced justice or manipulation). Whatever their intentions. Who watches the Watchmen, indeed.
Was Mayuri purely satisfying his own insatiably sick curiousity regarding all his (apparently, mass amounts of) Quincy experiments? Or was there something more to it than that? Was he also going by orders? Orders from whom?
Was the Quincy Extermination of 200 years ago really unavoidable? Furthermore, if the extermination was such a "hard" decision as Rukia was told (via Urahara presumedly)... why or how did Mayuri get access to desecrate so many (I believe the number ranged around 1600+) Quincy for the sake of his experiments? Was he just that sly he could abscond with that many souls and go unnoticed? He doesn't seem to take much tact in keeping the Quincy experiments a secret if they're supposed to be secret (hell, he apparently carried around a memento on his person of at least one of the his favorite test subjects... Uryuu's grandfather/sensei, Souken) and he was talking about said experiments openly in Soul Society. Cpt. Kyouraku's departing comments to him in ep71 would also make me lean towards Mayuri's hobbies not necessarily secrets (and what does Kyouraku and possibly the other Shinigami know exactly about those hobbies?). I do unfortunately find it hard to believe the Shinigami didn't have some general idea what was happening to those Quincy. If Ryuuken has any kind of fuel in reigniting Uryuu's hatred of the Death Gods, this probably would be his coup de grace.
In regards to the above paragraph... one could speculate every action Ryuuken has taken was in part of some greater purpose, one that he believes (as did Souken?) is destined for Uryuu.
What exactly did Urahara do that was so bad that led to his exile from Soul Society? Particularly considering some of Mengele-taicho's hobbies (and he isn't only still partaking in said hobbies, but is the current 12th Division Captain. The frickin' promoted him. Jesus). What did he do that was so much worse than what Mayuri has done/is doing? Sure the Hogyoku could be bad enough. However... I do wonder if Mayuri has friends in very high places. He may not have ascended intoHellHeaven a la Aizen, but another compadre perhaps?
I'm also wondering if Urahara's exile was so involuntary as it sounds. The word "exile" tends to exclaim 'involuntary', of course and I don't doubt it was completely serious and all forcible on the part of Shinigami's ruling body ... but I can't help but wonder just a little 'self-imposed' might factor in as well? Ditto Tessai (who I'd bet anything was Urahara's koutaicho), Yoriuchi and Isshin. I mean to say, Urahara might not have completely regretted leaving. Urahara, possibly Tessai, Yoriuchi and Isshin... all were in *high* positions of power. Until they were just... not anymore. Could it be they may have learned some very dirty and very ugly secrets about SS and wanted to leave (in utter moral disagreement and possibly in fear of their lives. Loose lips sinkhellheaven-bound ships, after all)? Yoruichi took it all a step further and was apparently all but *dead* to the Shinigami for a CENTURY. Since I don't follow the manga as closely as I probably should... I'd guess Isshin also possibly faked his death (my guess? Kenpachi believes he'd killed him. Isshin just screams former 11th Division taicho to me).
And on an entirely unrelated venue... what the hell is Cpt. Komamura? Unfortunate recipient of a high level demon spell gone bad? Youkai? Possibly more likely, a hanyou (he seems to have a similar sort of shame/angst as young Inuyasha did. Consequence of a taboo youkai/human union... and made to feel that way most of his life, up until meeting Commander Yamamoto and Tousen)?
Also special thanks to new friends
_debbiechan_ and mrs_urahara that propagate the :cough:hot Quincy:cough: speculating madness. Since I can't seem to join a fandom without being able to nerdily speculate about it ad infinitum, I'm not sure these poor folks realize what they've gotten themselves into. If either of you bother to read this, I apologize. A lot of it will be retread from bits of our "Significant Filler" discussion over at soul_society.Oh the ridiculous amount of questions that statement has made for me... but it makes the sad, sad fangirl tingly in more naughty parts than I'd care to admit.
What exactly did Yoshino mean by a Quincy being "the key to save this era"? How do the Bound know this piece of information? Sounds like the makings of an impending prophecy reveal to me. Ishida part of some massive Bound prophecy... or just a prophecy in general? Something not necessarily limited to the Bound? Ryuuken? Souken? The Quincy (at least prior their genocide)? Perhaps more importantly (and scarily), the Shinigami?
Entirely hypotheticaly speaking... if the (or some... I'd say, Aizen and probably some or all of deceased Central 46) of the Shinigami are aware of this speculated prophecy regarding the Quincy and if the nature of the prophecy were threatening/apocalyptic/universe-altering/etc etc enough... What kind of precautions might they have taken? We already know now what they're capable of regarding those damn obstinate Quincy, so stubborn and proud to the point of imbalancing and threatening the end of the world they had to be permanently removed from the equation (or so we're told)... could they be capable of much more? Taking a look at Aizen, Gin and Mayuri... or hell, even those with 'good' intentions as Tousen, Yamamoto, Hinamori, Urahara and Byakuya... I'm truthfully afraid of the full extent of things they're capable of (whether it's willfully or unintentionally... by duty, honor, curiosity, misplaced justice or manipulation). Whatever their intentions. Who watches the Watchmen, indeed.
Was Mayuri purely satisfying his own insatiably sick curiousity regarding all his (apparently, mass amounts of) Quincy experiments? Or was there something more to it than that? Was he also going by orders? Orders from whom?
Was the Quincy Extermination of 200 years ago really unavoidable? Furthermore, if the extermination was such a "hard" decision as Rukia was told (via Urahara presumedly)... why or how did Mayuri get access to desecrate so many (I believe the number ranged around 1600+) Quincy for the sake of his experiments? Was he just that sly he could abscond with that many souls and go unnoticed? He doesn't seem to take much tact in keeping the Quincy experiments a secret if they're supposed to be secret (hell, he apparently carried around a memento on his person of at least one of the his favorite test subjects... Uryuu's grandfather/sensei, Souken) and he was talking about said experiments openly in Soul Society. Cpt. Kyouraku's departing comments to him in ep71 would also make me lean towards Mayuri's hobbies not necessarily secrets (and what does Kyouraku and possibly the other Shinigami know exactly about those hobbies?). I do unfortunately find it hard to believe the Shinigami didn't have some general idea what was happening to those Quincy. If Ryuuken has any kind of fuel in reigniting Uryuu's hatred of the Death Gods, this probably would be his coup de grace.
In regards to the above paragraph... one could speculate every action Ryuuken has taken was in part of some greater purpose, one that he believes (as did Souken?) is destined for Uryuu.
What exactly did Urahara do that was so bad that led to his exile from Soul Society? Particularly considering some of Mengele-taicho's hobbies (and he isn't only still partaking in said hobbies, but is the current 12th Division Captain. The frickin' promoted him. Jesus). What did he do that was so much worse than what Mayuri has done/is doing? Sure the Hogyoku could be bad enough. However... I do wonder if Mayuri has friends in very high places. He may not have ascended into
I'm also wondering if Urahara's exile was so involuntary as it sounds. The word "exile" tends to exclaim 'involuntary', of course and I don't doubt it was completely serious and all forcible on the part of Shinigami's ruling body ... but I can't help but wonder just a little 'self-imposed' might factor in as well? Ditto Tessai (who I'd bet anything was Urahara's koutaicho), Yoriuchi and Isshin. I mean to say, Urahara might not have completely regretted leaving. Urahara, possibly Tessai, Yoriuchi and Isshin... all were in *high* positions of power. Until they were just... not anymore. Could it be they may have learned some very dirty and very ugly secrets about SS and wanted to leave (in utter moral disagreement and possibly in fear of their lives. Loose lips sink
And on an entirely unrelated venue... what the hell is Cpt. Komamura? Unfortunate recipient of a high level demon spell gone bad? Youkai? Possibly more likely, a hanyou (he seems to have a similar sort of shame/angst as young Inuyasha did. Consequence of a taboo youkai/human union... and made to feel that way most of his life, up until meeting Commander Yamamoto and Tousen)?
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Re: 1st paragraph: quincy key
Date: 2006-03-20 08:51 pm (UTC)It also could be the Jin and the Bound (maybe several other supernatural factions out there we have yet to learn about) - who haven't seemed to have chosen a side - are taking precautions due to the (universal) Aizen threat. No matter how cruel they may seem to the less spirit-powered, simply based on survival. Everyone preparing themselves for some huge impending conflict... which would make sense considering how much Aizen likely shook things up for everyone. Of course, if the Bound aren't the only ones now switched onto survival mode... things are going to get a lot worse for the puny humans than better and it's not like the Shinigami can really protect them (they can barely cover there own asses most of the time as it would seem. Aizen fucked them over so thoroughly, it's hard not to notice SS just wasn't as tight an organization as they likely may have believed they were).
i was thinking how Uryuu says he is the last quincy...but, TECHNICALLY, he is not. His father IS a quincy, but CHOSE anothre path instead, in order to provide for his family. which, ironically, brings about that whole qiuncy pride of "self-sacrifice".
I'm going off on a slight tangent - of which I'm once again going to entirely blame
Ryuuken may have been so disgusted at this turn of events, he completely disowns Masaki from the family as if she never existed. Of course, tells his son absolutely nothing about her and forbids Souken to mention her as well... or he threatens to cut off Uryuu. Souken might have been planning on telling Uryuu about Masaki anyway, but when he was older... which didn't happen since Souken died of course. Maybe even stripping her of the family name (thus why Ichigo never heard "Ishida" prior the pissing contest between him and Uryuu).
I realize this is all utter crack and again mostly based on nothing, but I noticed that the color of Ichigo's power when he powers up is bright blue, when he/Zangetsu glows it's blue ... just like Uryuu's Quincy bow/powers, particularly during the fight with Mayuri. And, of course, include all of
Re: 1st paragraph: quincy key
Date: 2006-03-20 10:27 pm (UTC)-- this leads me to feel that perhaps this arc is going to be the "cannnon" arc leading up to the arrancar arc for the anime. That would be fabulous. Seeing that the last mini anime arc lead to the bound arc (urahara pulls in the reference of how those Konpaktus helped them prepare for this kind of situation), i really am just putting my positive energetic juices into hoping the animes are using this to catapult the start of the arrancar arc. AND i REALLLY hope they include the pre-cursor leading up to the arc (i.e. isshin being a shinigami, ryuuken's appearacne. I CANNOT WAIT to see hotpappas come to anime life. MEYOW!!)
"Aizen fucked them over so thoroughly, it's hard not to notice SS just wasn't as tight an organization as they likely may have believed they were"
---mmm that first clause makes Aizen soo hot. *smaks lips* but yeh, totally agree, and at the end of the soul society arc, i believe it's Utikake who states what you just wrote...well not the Aizen f*king part..but the other stuff. heh-heh
" if Masaki may have been another Quincy in hiding a la Ryuuken. Either another one of the last but non-Ishida (thus Ryuuken was desperately wooing, to no avail) OR, possibly more likely, a close relation to the Ishidas. Maybe an Ishida herself"
---Yeah, i have thought about that too..but, then i would think that the kids would have some sort of QUincy powers...this is why it will be interesting to see how Karin's "powers" pan out. AND, the fact that little Yuzu has none. it also makes me feel, from Yuzu, that Masaki was a human with perhaps just an incredible soul.
"Maybe an Ishida herself (Ryuuken's sister?). This would add a whole element of forbidden love to Isshin and Masaki outside of the Shinigami/Human aspect... it's elevated to Shinigami/Quincy (thus why it was so important for Isshin to leave the Shinigami to be with her. It's one thing she was a human, but a Quincy to boot?)."
---possibly. I DEFINITELY believe that there IS a "fobidden love" element in Masaki/Isshin. I deem the fact that Isshin agve up being a shinigami for her is proof that there is more to their love story (again i would LOVE to see a movie or special hour ep dedicated to some of the back story) and Kubo leads us to believe that Isshin is also hiding just as much as Urahara. And, actually, when you think about it, Urahara is a bit more upfront about his hidden motives moreso than Isshin is about his secret past. It will be interesting to see what kind of confrontation will ensue when Ichigo finds out. HELLLOOOO teen angst. ^___^
but I noticed that the color of Ichigo's power when he powers up is bright blue, when he/Zangetsu glows it's blue ... just like Uryuu's Quincy bow/powers"
-- most of the shingami captains turn a beautiful blue when they are increasing their spirit force. Remember Hitsu and Gin's fight. NOt to mention when Kaien was fighting..or Utikake and SHunsui. THey all have that "heavenly" blue glow. If you look at it from the eastern notions of "chackras" ...there colours would concur with the colour of spiritual awarness and power. In western belief/symbology heaven seems to have the colour of the sky, too. neh?
"And, of course, include all of _debbiechan_'s adamance that Ryuuken and Isshin may have quite likely known or knew of each other? ;)"
-- THe screamin mimi fangurl in me sooooo wants to see some angsty past between the two hot pappas. that's just plain hot. ^___^
speaking of _debbiechan_ . . . where is she in all this??? i am surprised she would not comment.
is she on your friend's list? hmmm..i'll have to shoot her a wee pm and tell her to jump on in this action. NO way she would want to miss out. this is too good! ^_____^
Re: 1st paragraph: quincy key
Date: 2006-03-21 02:06 am (UTC)I have a feeling Kubo may be saving the Arrancar for something big in the anime. They are, more or less, part of Aizen's special army, aren't they?
then i would think that the kids would have some sort of QUincy powers...this is why it will be interesting to see how Karin's "powers" pan out. AND, the fact that little Yuzu has none.
Doesn't Yuzu have some powers? Something about knowing ghosts are there, but she just can't see them. Also possibly Hollow too, but her powers seem to be something akin to Anime!Tatsuki's at the moment. There was also that whole ghost!neko filler storyline.
I think it could be more due to Yuzu's age her powers aren't as strong as Karin's or Ichigo's... yet. I believe she is the youngest of the Kurosaki kids. I think Ichigo mentioned once when he was a kid his abilities weren't nearly as strong as they were when he got older (just prior Rukia coming into his life). It's also possible she might need extra (Quincy?) training to develop her particular abilities despite her proximity to super-powered Ichigo.
most of the shingami captains turn a beautiful blue when they are increasing their spirit force. Remember Hitsu and Gin's fight.
Actually, I think the only captain's aura that's blue or blueish is Hitsugaya (Gin is light purple, matching his hair). Although Hitsugaya's definitely has a green sort of tint, kind of aquamarine (probably due to the ice).
Since I was just waiting for an excuse to post pictures of pretty boys in my LJ ;) Here are Shikai!Ichigo and Ishida side by side to contrast and compare.
Maybe there's a connection, but it could all be a mute point anyway. Ichigo's bankai color, similar to Tousen, is black (wearing Zangetsu's raggedy jacket) and black/red when Anti-Ichi takes over. Totally different from his shikai.
speaking of _debbiechan_ . . . where is she in all this???
I think I might have scared her off with all my mass quantities of jibbering above (I slammed her with three replies of utter rambling for one of her posts). LOL
Re: 1st paragraph: quincy key
Date: 2006-03-21 02:17 pm (UTC)--well, karin and Yuzu are exactly the same age. They are twins. Yet, Yuzu definitely acts more like her age than Karin. Ichigo talked how Karin basically "shut down" her emotions after Masaki died and "toughened" up. Whereas, Yuzu, being the same age, seems to be more emotionally open and in some ways, not as "mature" as Karin? or rather she is just softer, like Masaki was. You are right, in the manga, Kubo does refer to Yuzu in the beginning knowing they are there, but not seeing them.But, i think she also said she didn't want to see them. WHereas, Karin, from the start, sees them. I think it's the hollows she could sense, but not see. It will be interesting to see how Kubo pans it all out.
"Ichigo's bankai color, similar to Tousen, is black (wearing Zangetsu's raggedy jacket) and black/red when Anti-Ichi takes over. Totally different from his shikai."
-- that, my dear Eido, is a thread unto itself. this manga is symbolically and philosphically rich..my head explodes at the prospect. ^___^
"I think I might have scared her off with all my mass quantities of jibbering above (I slammed her with three replies of utter rambling for one of her posts). LOL"
--Heh-heh. I have done the same thing to her. But, i think she enjoys it. I am wondering, if, with the move and all, her time is not as spacious as she may want it, at present. It'd be interesting to see her input in all this. not to say i don't enjoy our one-on-one intense discussions. If anything, it seems to increase my passion for this manga/anime even more. ^___^
p.s. love the pics.
Re: 1st paragraph: quincy key
Date: 2006-03-22 02:03 am (UTC)See, I thought that too, but I could have sworn I read somewhere at
Re: 1st paragraph: quincy key
Date: 2006-03-22 08:49 pm (UTC)off to find that out! OH!! and, Yuku, in the first couple pages of the first chapter mentions how she does see them (ghosts) but they are blurry to her...and Karin is the one who refuses to see them, even though she does. Yuzu mentions how "daddy is the only one who can't"