spn - 5.17 - 99 problems

[retro_eidas]

• Wow. Dean's certainly giving Theo Faran a run for his money in the utterly depressed, apathetic savior department.
  
  
• Crazy cult/fundie ep, it's about damn time.
  
  
• O HAI Daniel Jackson! Too bad you hardly did anything in this ep. You did save Dean & Sam once!
  
  
• Though I've noticed - if season 6 does go all post-apocalyptic - Dean and Sam have garnered themselves a nice little band of resistance fighters. Father Gideon and Daniel Jackson & wife (as did many of the knowledged, resourceful townsfolk) came out alive at the end of this ep. Rufus is presumably still alive. Chuck grew a pair in 5.09. They've got at least one ally up in Heaven in Ash (and last ep also shows it's possible to communicate with Heaven, even if "the spell is difficult to maintain"). Bring on the post-apocalyptic survival story I say!
  
  
• And damn, I fully concur 22by7, that was Look of Teh Ghey (and in church, no less) between Daniel Jackson and "Paul"
  
  
• Thus the seeds for apathetic, cold-hearted "fearless leader" Dean and pill-popping, boozer Last Man!Cas of 2014 are firmly planted. I feel for Sam and Bobby, they seem to be the last shreds of hope keeping Dean and Cas from completely going off the deep end.
  
  
• Dean and Cas having a moment about how fucked up they both are their deadbeat dads. The last time Dean communed like that with someone, there was sex shortly thereafter. Though they're both guys and this is SPN on American network tv, the closest it comes is Fight Club from the looks of the promo.
  
  
• Yes, random Lisa was random, but I really doubt how much that was about Dean/Lisa (they don't even know each other, really) as much as her and Ben being the personification of the white picket fence dream that we know Dean's had (apparently still has). Him saying goodbye to her was him believing he's finally putting his big man pants on, waking up and letting go of the dream (by saying yes to the illusion-masters, the angels. Not contradictory at all, Deano!). Lisa also functioned, fairly blatantly, as the personification of humanity. Both in the sense of the people Dean wishes will be saved by saying yes ("People, families, that's what's real!") and the face of those he'll kill by saying yes. Adios, (Dean's) humanity!
  
  
• Leah and Lisa. Kripke does love his symmetry, but there have been a lot of female mirrors this season or maybe that's just me. Most of them though are powerful women who have considerable sway over the heroes, for good and evil. I do suspect God is a woman or enthralled by one.

Next week: Cas gets officially adopted into the Winchester clan by showing his love via physical violence.

Also, anyone going to make a Dean/Cas vid to "Life on Mono"?

"DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING I'VE EVER DONE HAS BEEN FOR YOU?!" Sound familiar? ;)

Comments

[cherryshadowz.livejournal.com]

And damn, I fully concur 22by7, that was Look of Teh Ghey (and in church, no less) between Daniel Jackson and "Paul"

Thus the seeds for apathetic, cold-hearted "fearless leader" Dean and pill-popping, boozer Last Man!Cas of 2014 are firmly planted. I feel for Sam and Bobby, they seem to be the last shreds of hope keeping Dean and Cas from completely going off the deep end.

First point, UH YES!

Second point, I thought that scene was terrifying exactly bc of what you said, I felt a lot of people didn't really think it was important to mention that.

I had a long conversation regarding Lisa with amechiro and I have to say the whole 'good bye to my humanity' thing ended up being done imo in a really odd way. It wasn't Lisa that bothered me it was her inviting Dean in to say good bye to her son who clearly felt affection for him. Children are very sensitive and this could have done MAJOR damage. That at the end of the day ended up bothering me the most.

Yeah I'm very excited for next week. I was over at deancastiel, reading the comments for a clip for next week, some people had some very insightful things to say. Clearly I wasn't one of them but yeah I think it was interesting to read. I won't say more in case you didn't watch the clips.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Second point, I thought that scene was terrifying exactly bc of what you said, I felt a lot of people didn't really think it was important to mention that.

It was pretty anvil-dropping, so I get why people didn't even bother to mention it, but yeah. Not even subtle at all they were hinting at that. Though I wish for a better future, that sick and wrong part of me is hoping this is indicative we do indeed get post-apoc season 6. SPN could rock so hard with a post-apoc season in a way it didn't so much with the apocalypse. I can't even!

It wasn't Lisa that bothered me it was her inviting Dean in to say good bye to her son who clearly felt affection for him. Children are very sensitive and this could have done MAJOR damage. That at the end of the day ended up bothering me the most.

Yeah, honestly, if I look at it any other way than pure metaphor it all comes off very WTF. Had I been Lisa I'd have probably maced Dean, much less let him be around her kid. I'm sure she's eternally grateful for Dean saving her son but at the same time he's a guy she hadn't seen in years who she barely knew (as far as we've been shown). He just shows up, dumps all that scary, intense shit on her? I guess I'm just a cold-hearted bastard that way, but yeah, that whole thing came off weird and creepy if not for the blatant metaphors.

And yeah, the moment I was done watching 5.17 I ran to those clips como el alma lleva al diablo. I watched the hell out of them.

[cherryshadowz.livejournal.com]

Post apocalypse would have so much angst, meeting up with the people who are 'surviving' or who were possessed/witnessed something horrible :X

Lol, yeah next week's episode is going to be a doozy. I can't wait :)

[eido.livejournal.com]

Post-apocalypse can also be reverting back to simpler times and more quiet moments like fishing by a lake or whatev (because there's fuck all to do anymore! lol). Post-apoc may also explain why the Winchester Gospel comes into being. The Winchester fame going beyond them starting Armageddon, but the ones who were at the forefront of pulling the world out of hell.

That and the way I see it, it's like introducing Godzilla in the first act. You sort of expect him to destroy Tokyo. This is sort of how I feel with Lucifer, ditto Michael. I'm actually going to be sort of disappointed if the Earth doesn't get a real thrashing.

CDub actually got off their lazy asses and cooked up a new promo for it being the 100th ep. Color me shocked as hell!

[cherryshadowz.livejournal.com]

Which one the ten second one? I might have missed something :\

Cleaning up the mess? Making Sam and Dean lead instead of just being whispers? That would be interesting.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Yup, the 10-sec one. Two promos for an SPN ep, now hopefully they'll actually air either of them.

Basically, they'd be like revolutionaries, except without all the creepy fundamentalism a la last night's ep and *crosses fingers* not as unpleasant as it went down in "The End".