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retro_eidasUs and Them
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
The General sat, and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
5x16: Dark Side of the Moon (aka, Your Whole Life Flashes Before Your Eyes): PINK FLOYD FINALLY YAY (hence the dl I included above)!!! Chad Lindberg (aka, Ash) is supposed to guest star in this one. Either they're all going to Heaven or someone is dying or has near-death experience maybe.... or gets really, really high?
5x17: Your Time is Gonna Come: Another Zepp title. A song about a guy fed up with his cheating lover. Sam finally throw in the towel with Dean who can't stop making sex-eyes at Cas? ;) Srsly tho, Dean leaves Sam possibly? This could be the one Sam uses his powers (and Dean is pissed off about it) according to Kristen's spoilers. I could believe that finally pushes Dean to the point he's the one who finally leaves Sam. Before, it's always been Sam the one to leave.
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
The General sat, and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
5x16: Dark Side of the Moon (aka, Your Whole Life Flashes Before Your Eyes): PINK FLOYD FINALLY YAY (hence the dl I included above)!!! Chad Lindberg (aka, Ash) is supposed to guest star in this one. Either they're all going to Heaven or someone is dying or has near-death experience maybe.... or gets really, really high?
5x17: Your Time is Gonna Come: Another Zepp title. A song about a guy fed up with his cheating lover. Sam finally throw in the towel with Dean who can't stop making sex-eyes at Cas? ;) Srsly tho, Dean leaves Sam possibly? This could be the one Sam uses his powers (and Dean is pissed off about it) according to Kristen's spoilers. I could believe that finally pushes Dean to the point he's the one who finally leaves Sam. Before, it's always been Sam the one to leave.
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Date: 2009-12-19 04:43 am (UTC)I'll just stay over here and pretend none of that happened. It's not canon for me!
I'd rather have Andy. He's so cute! Also, Gabriel Tigerman is THE BEST NAME EVER.
After my last Angels and Demons class of the term, I'm half-expecting there to be some sorta Annunciation in that other time travel ep. Hey, you've got Mary around, and Michael - should be Gabe for historical accuracy, but eh.
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Date: 2009-12-19 06:30 pm (UTC)some sorta Annunciation in that other time travel ep. Hey, you've got Mary around, and Michael
Wouldn't shock me. Supposedly Michael's first official appearance - whatever form that is - will be in that time travel ep where Anna tries to kill Mary and John. Thus the surly, angsty weapon of God is born.
Though I'm still holding out for genderswitch!Dean and (m)preg!! w00tz!!! And you're laughing, I know, but hey dude! Kripke is giving us body-swap fanfic in canon, I imagine genderswitch is only a step behind. Castiel's got to lose that virginity sometime. ;)
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Date: 2009-12-19 06:52 pm (UTC)Okay that just made me laugh.
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Date: 2009-12-19 07:34 pm (UTC)I still wonder about John's family. Now, if his parents were really old, that would be too much. John the Baptist's parents were Elizabeth and Zachariah, apparently, and man, if it were THAT Zach, I'd laugh myself sick.
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Date: 2010-01-03 09:28 pm (UTC)Not to mention the Virgin Mary's mother was named Anne. Dean's and Sam's grandma (Mary's mother) was named Deanna. Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised considering Dean did want to shag his own mother in 4.03. I suppose shagging someone named "Anna" shouldn't be all that shocking. lol
btw, are you the same julorean who wrote this meta (http://thepoeticsoftelevision.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/constructs-of-normality-and-unreality-in-supernatural/)? That's one intriguing topic in SPN and one people don't seem to be discussing much. Demons and Hell were about it, but they're not in quite the same league as the angels when it comes to unreality (Heaven's Green Room, Gabriel's/Lucifer's/Zachariah's amazing yet scary capacity for illusion, Dean likening "Paradise" to Stepford in 4.22, visiting characters in dreams & influencing their dreams, etc). The hints of unreality were ridiculously all over "Changing Channels". Everything in that meta, but also little things like "The Matrix" shout-outs and Dean dousing Gabriel's holy oil ring o' fire prison with the surprisingly still functioning sprinkler system (water and rain symbols of the unconscious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung#Relationship_with_Freud), notice all the raining in "The Matrix", for example, both the green raining Matrix-code but all the raining in the beginning of the story while Neo's still inside the Matrix/before he's awakened).
If I were going to make any wild crackspec about Dean's future role in the story when it comes to the angels, my guess is he's going to have some crucial role in figuratively dousing them all with a shock of water. He's going to wake them all up, in other words. Whether they want to be awoken or not and whether they can handle it or not. Just as he awoke Castiel and may have done Gabriel (a long shot, but possibly Raphael as well), forcing both to face the music (about themselves and their Heavenly family). Also as he and Sam inadvertently set Lucifer free. It also makes me tend to think Michael isn't so much going to "take his vessel" as much as Dean is going to awake him (as essentially happened to Cas and Gabe) or free him (a la Lucifer) somehow. Since I'm lingering on the topic of unreality and the unconscious and Dean/angels, all this "unconscious" symbology re: the angels could possibly lend credence to Dean = Michael (or some direct manifestation of Michael's power or influence - though possibly not a vessel - if Dean's not literally Michael himself). As opposed to accepting a Michael on the outside, Dean has to awaken/set loose the (imprisoned?) Michael from within and this is how he comes into himself as this prophesied "righteous man who... must finish it" and save the world?
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Date: 2010-01-03 09:52 pm (UTC)The TV meta? That was me! :D It was for a class, I'm kinda surprised to se it show up here! XD Do leave a comment on there, I and the prof would love to know non-class people have found those. :) I had thought about using "It's a Terrible Life" and the bit in the green room in 4.22, but I didn't have room, and as you could see, I had more material from other eps. But yes, it also ties in to the theme of normality is illusion, a dangerous one.
I do hope you're right about Dean. I love it when he fucks up plans. :)
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Date: 2010-01-03 10:17 pm (UTC)Or Anna dies/falls but gets reborn again as Mary Campbell. Not like angels/Heaven are limited within the boundaries of time or space. ;)
Tho I kinda always thought Deanna ws derived from Diane, ancient goddess of the hunt.
Certainly could be that too. And Dean is named after her. The feminine symbology - both mundane and mythic - surrounding Dean never seems to stop.
The TV meta? That was me! :D It was for a class, I'm kinda surprised to se it show up here! XD
I actually first found the link over on the Supernatural Online thread over on TWOP's SPN Gen Gabbery board. ;) I'm really glad someone brought up the unreality topic. Seriously, it's like no one is discussing it but it's absolutely everywhere in SPN.
I had thought about using "It's a Terrible Life" and the bit in the green room in 4.22, but I didn't have room, and as you could see, I had more material from other eps....
But yes, it also ties in to the theme of normality is illusion, a dangerous one.
Maybe more in "It's a Terrible Life", but the intriguing thing about "Changing Channels" is it was an illusion (tv world) within an illusion (Gabriel's created tv world).
I do hope you're right about Dean. I love it when he fucks up plans. :)
Especially considering how those whose plans he tends to fuck-up don't expect it from Dean. They're the ones that tend to underestimate him (looking at you, Zachariah). Possibly as they might have underestimated Michael as, if we're to believe Gabriel's perception of him is largely the perception of amongst the rest of the angels, "the older brother loyal to an absent father". Perhaps not unlike Sam's perception of Dean back in S1 and even in S4. Sam - to varying critical degrees - referred to Dean practically as some patsy to John's mandates, but Dean is no longer the obedient little soldier. He hasn't been for some time. We especially saw Dean's disillusionment with John in S4 (though according to "Fallen Idols", John is still Dean's idol, but I'm assuming no longer with the blind devotion Dean used to have in his dad). I'd wonder if Michael was a lot more disillusioned with God's (or at least Heaven's) mandates then the other angels realized? Maybe he wasn't as dutiful a soldier as the angels believe? Maybe he too did something that could be akin to rebellion and "stood up to his family" (as Dean explicitly accuses Gabriel hadn't done, being too much of a coward to do it in "Changing Channels" and he's done nothing but run away all this time)?
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Date: 2010-01-04 12:01 am (UTC)Michael better be awesome, after all this hype!
Mmmm, all this talk of Dean and plans makes me want to work on my Brutal Legend fusion fic. Just for the scenes where plans are exploded quite spectacularly. And there's fighting and slashing and blood and GOOOOOORRRREEEE! :D
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Date: 2010-01-04 02:06 am (UTC)Of course, with Dean having gone to Hell, there is the obvious Jesus and Harrowing of Hell connection one can make, but that also gets into all the other myths of significant, sometimes godlike, heroes who've gone to Hell/the Underworld and come back from it. Placing Dean in the same company as Odysseus, Hercules, Inanna, Gilgamesh, etc etc. When Dean came back from Hell (and even got an angel for a BFF
soulmate), that pretty much sealed the deal on his big mythic hero status. Sorry Sammy.Michael better be awesome, after all this hype!
SERIOUSLY! It's not only the wait for Michael, but the 5 season-long wait for Dean to get a definitive place in the mytharc. Kripke has a lot to live up to, I'm dubious on whether he'll truly be able to deliver or not. Right now I'm going to remain cautiously hopeful as they seem to be treading carefully with this Michael/Dean business.
Mmmm, all this talk of Dean and plans makes me want to work on my Brutal Legend fusion fic.
*le gasp* This is a Brutal Legend/SPN fusion, yes? Dude, I'm SO very there. I've been on this whole Heavy Metal/SPN kick lately, but Brutal Legend tops it as - despite my guilty pleasure love of "Heavy Metal" - BL actually has a, you know, plot. I can easily picture Dean, Sam and Castiel all gloriously flashy warrior armor, a la Tyrael from Diablo or something, smiting the devil, dragons or other dark beasties mightily with Sammy Hagar or Dio blasting in the background. Fan artists and vidders need to take advantage of this fusion yesterday.
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Date: 2010-01-04 03:03 am (UTC):flails: :glomps you: YAY FINALLY ANOTHER BL FAN!!!!! :D :D :D I thought Dean would be fucking PERFECT in the main role since I first heard of it, even before playing it! The plot is great, tho the game's much too short. The whole Black Tears aspect, I was all "OMG IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE DEMON BLOOD THING!!!" Plus Ophelia is SO Sam's type. Sam/Dean is my OTP, but when you have ladies as awesome as Ophelia and Lita (I LOVE HER HALBERD!) - that's my het OTPs of PURE FACEMELTING AWESOMENESS.
My idea had Sam and Dean being transported to the World of Metal, essentially taking on Eddie's role. I'm setting it about mid-S4, so no Cas. Plus you know how I think that whole Lucifer thing is BS. Dean's having lots of fun hacking up demons with the axe (that mental image was a big motivator for me! XD), Sam is a little more emo about it, he's still kinda preoccupied with Lilith. He and Ophelia bond about being freaks and all that. Dean goes all demon-y with the wings (Demon!Dean is one of my most favoritest things in the world, so naturally I had to include that aspect).
Plot stuff happens, and Sam ends up drowned in his own emo along with Ophelia. There's exposition and more plot stuff, and the Zaulia (who'd like to mate with Dean - obviously, lol!) and METAL. Dean and Ironheade kills zombies (I'm assuming the Drowning Doom are essentially that), dramatic exposition is dramatic, AWESOME BATTLES, and Dean kills Doviculus and rescues Sam and Ophelia. Then there's some time-space fiddling (MAGIC!), and Dean, Sam, Ophelia and Lita travel back to the "normal" world to teach those douchebag angels and bothersome demons a few things. ;) And Dean kills Ruby with extreme prejudice (and lots of gooooore! XD). The angels are all WTF, Lilith is soon X.X (i.e. very DEAD). Oh, and they send Bobby a beer tree.
Okay, it's mostly a bunch of ideas, but I know there's a fascinating ploit in there. I just need to figure out how to work in SPN-based stuff into the World of Metal. Hell will get more mention, certainly. Heh, looks like I really ran away with the idea, hope you don't mind me spamming your post with metal squee. XP
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Date: 2010-01-04 03:49 pm (UTC)To be totally honest, I wouldn't be shocked they make their way into SPN eventually. Hell, we've already got a demon/human hybrid, what's to say Kripke might not do angel/human? Jesse's existence may even indicate it's inevitable, considering how much Kripke loves his mirroring.
:flails: :glomps you: YAY FINALLY ANOTHER BL FAN!!!!! :D :D :D
So the game isn't perfection and it's short, but COME ON PPL! It's fun! What more do you need from a game?? Then again, I would have been peachy had it had some kind of plot and thus upgrade on "Heavy Metal" (though I love it anyway even minus a plot, lol) but still retained some of the same visuals, which it did in both counts.
Plus Ophelia is SO Sam's type.
She's also a whole lot more interesting than some of Sam's womens. I liked Jessica a lot, but her being outside of the supernatural world, she was never going to be the most ideal match for Sam.
Sam/Dean is my OTP, but when you have ladies as awesome as Ophelia and Lita
Which there won't be in SPN. *sighs* Damn you Kripke and your fail at writing epic female characters (or if there are any, Kripke inexplicably doesn't or can't ship them with Sam or Dean)!
My idea had Sam and Dean being transported to the World of Metal, essentially taking on Eddie's role. I'm setting it about mid-S4, so no Cas.
Did you mean mid-S3? As I recall, Cas was in mid-S4 (though I tend to pretend 4.09/4.10 didn't happen at all)? LOL
Though SRSLY DUDE, how can you not picture Cas in that world with DeanSam, despite your OTPness? :P You know alt BL-verse Cas wouldn't be looking like the holy tax accountant, but probably more like this (http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/?rhtml=y).
Dean goes all demon-y with the wings (Demon!Dean is one of my most favoritest things in the world, so naturally I had to include that aspect).
For quite some time before S4, I was convinced Dean was actually Lucifer. So I say let him go all cover of Dio's "Holy Diver" album in BL-verse! XD
Oh, and they send Bobby a beer tree.
BWAHAHAHA!!! This is canon in my head now, you realize this.
I just need to figure out how to work in SPN-based stuff into the World of Metal.
Perhaps Gabriel goes mad (or something - upgraded!Lucifer, perhaps? Your version of Lu need not be fail - drives him mad) and turns the midwest into World of Metal, Dean and Sam (and Cas :P) are questing to find a cure, but of course, they're the World of Metal-versions of themselves??
Heh, looks like I really ran away with the idea, hope you don't mind me spamming your post with metal squee. XP
Dude, BL/Metal with SPN fusion isn't "spamming", it's reveling in face-melting metal glory! XD
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Date: 2010-01-04 05:46 pm (UTC)The beer tree/shrubberies were one of my favorite bits of world building in BL. Just brilliant. I figured after cleaning up the mess in the regualr world, they'd go back to live in the Brutal world, and send Bobby a beer tree as a parting gift. XD
As for combining the worlds - I was thinking more a direct transdimensional travel thing, as in the game. (Admittedly, virtualpersonal's fic "Dragonspell" is informing my ideas a bit). World collsion/intersection would be interesting, it reminds me of certain sci-fi books. But I just really the like the idea that Sam and Dean find a place where they can live in relative peace, with no angels or smoke-demons to bother them.
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Date: 2010-01-04 07:12 pm (UTC)Except Cas was always an oddity, even back then, firmly amongst his angel brethren. He'd already been telling execution-worthy suprsekrits to Dean in the Halloween ep. Cas was basically like the mysterious guy in the black robe, always hiding in the shadows and doling out tidbits of cryptic but useful information, until you realize what he is. Except... not so much in the shadows and replace black robe with cheap trenchcoat. BUT STILL it's the same thing! If this were "Halo", Cas would basically be Arbiter. The former-bad-guy who turned against his own to help the hero for the greater good, which makes him sort of awesome.
Don't mind me though, I'm just being pragmatic. ;D And I've always loved the Arbiter type. The dude who ditches everything he knows because he knows his own are in the wrong and has big enough brass ones to do the right thing.
Still, I think he'd be all O.o most of the time and kinda useless.
Really? In my head, him being uber supernatural creature and occasionally full of heavenly wrath and all, he actually fits in that world better than Dean or Sam do. Then again, maybe I've just been watching one too many Darksiders (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/story-trailer-darksiders/49408) promos. Look at those bad ass angels! *FLAILS*
I figured after cleaning up the mess in the regualr world, they'd go back to live in the Brutal world, and send Bobby a beer tree as a parting gift. XD
I could see that more than I could the white-picket-fence fantasies Dean used to have of Carmen c/o DALDOM. I just never saw Dean fitting in that sort of life, hence why his DALDOM fantasy was so depressingly fantastical, almost farcical. You can really see that difference between Dean's sort of normal vs. Sam's normal in FTBYAM. Sam can actually function in the real world. But Dean? Not so much. Dean's "normal" setting is vampire blood sprayed all over his face.
As for combining the worlds - I was thinking more a direct transdimensional travel thing, as in the game.
That could certainly work too. XD
with no angels or smoke-demons to bother them.
They just have actual red-skinned, horned, fiery demons (and witches and cultists and... hair bands) bothering them? LOL
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Date: 2010-01-04 09:37 pm (UTC)Dean's "normal" setting is vampire blood sprayed all over his face. lol, or demon blood. Remember the final battle in BL? DECAPITAAATTTIIIOOOOOOONNNNN!!! XD Fits Dean to a tee. Earth-normal doesn't work for them. Sam can fit in, though he doesn't truly belong either. But a place of warriors and battles and shit, well, I think they'd do quite well. :) Sam and Dean can feel they really made a difference there.
I'm probably gonna use John's storage locker as a plot device (lol, again). Who knows what he has in there? Maybe he was a secret metalhead back in the '70s and has some records stashed away. Like one with an all black cover and the simple name "Brutal Legend". ;) Oh, young!John looks sweet, but those are the ones to watch out for! (Example: Lance Sweets in the show "Bones". Brilliant wunderkind, but went through a death metal phase in his teens. He still has the CDs).
They just have actual red-skinned, horned, fiery demons (and witches and cultists and... hair bands) bothering them lol, yeah. Those are MUCH easier to deal with. No need to worry about the poor host or keeping things from polite society. Just hack/slash/stab/burn/etc away! LOLOLOL, I can't help thinking Dean would be more horrified by the glam metal. Demons and zombies are nothing new, but THAT...with the glitter, and the zebra stripes and the hair Dean would be all OH GOD FUCK NO! XD And I'm sure Dean would want to set a lot of the eastern landmass on fire, to get rid of the zombies/restless spirits of the Black Tear Rebellion and that FUCKING CREEPY WRAITH TREE.
And as an aside: I really like the role of women in the game. The Razor Girls are great (OMG their hair is fantastic!), Lita and Ophelia are both so kickass, and there's that whole momument to the ladies by the Razor boar fields. And the Zaulia, can't forget them. Huge fire-breathing cat-beast>>>>polar bear.