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[retro_eidas]

Here I am trying to take a nap but can't. And I'm cranky thanks to a sore back (stupid snow-shoveling). Yes, another SPN post. SHOCKING!

I noticed Buddy TV has made a year round-up list and included Future!Castiel as "Most Laid Back Male" of '09.

I tend not to give two straws about Buddy TV apart from the occasional spoiler as they seem determined to make Kristin dos Santos look like a Nobel Laureate, but I think it's hilarious how anyone could find anything pleasant about future!Cas, apart from shallow pretty factor (which tends to be Cas and Misha usually). No srsly. Nothing more awesome and not depressing at all about Nietzsche's Last Man put in praxis. That's Buddy TV's idea of "laid back"? o.O Like they somehow entirely missed (or worse, didn't miss) the whole theme, the whole point, of decadence to death of Future!Cas whose lost any shred of hope?

I know I know, dumb to be all bewildered since Buddy TV likely thinks "Nietzsche" is some new brand name sitting between Goldschläger and Jägermeister, but yeah, that was my sad moment of lolarity. Now excuse me while I go search for a hot water bottle and Aleve.

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[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Like they somehow entirely missed (or worse, didn't miss) the whole theme, the whole point, of decadence to death of Future!Cas whose lost any shred of hope?'
Poor misunderstood Future!Cas D: Maybe by laid back they mean 'most willing to throw his life away on a suicide mission because Dean wants him to'.

[eido.livejournal.com]

IDK IDK, it's all sort of creepy. Like those scientists in "Serenity" who must have thought that "pax" drug was a great idea. Future!Cas might not have laid down and died exactly, but that 5.04 world was about as uplifting as Miranda was. Hell, you've even got Reaver-like characters in the Croats. And I hope you've seen "Serenity" or you're not going to get any of that. lol

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'And I hope you've seen "Serenity" or you're not going to get any of that. lol'
I have. I used to know all the words to the Fruity Oaty Bars song.

'Future!Cas might not have laid down and died exactly'
True. I just couldn't get over the fact that Cas was so quick to say that he was absolutely going to go into the hot zone (and probably be killed). For all the smiling he did in that episode (and I liked when as he was talking about the orgy he winked at Dean), I don't think Future!Dean was the only one who had something broken inside of him.

'but that 5.04 world was about as uplifting as Miranda was.'
That it was. Funny enough but Lucifer's white suit reminded me of the white buildings on Miranda (I think the buildings were white).

'Hell, you've even got Reaver-like characters in the Croats.'
Who knows, maybe Lucifer is a Joss fan.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I just couldn't get over the fact that Cas was so quick to say that he was absolutely going to go into the hot zone (and probably be killed).

Though he didn't actually say it at any point, the whole character practically was screaming, "I just want it to be over!" like all his emo angsty angel brothers seem to say at every opportunity. He just didn't care enough to say it.

I don't think Future!Dean was the only one who had something broken inside of him.

Definitely not. Any mention of God was almost conspicuous in it's absence too, ditto the amulet. Which Dean had been asking back but then allowing Cas to keep by the end of 5.03. Encouraging Cas to find God in one ep, then the next faced with the result of a Cas whose God is dead or close to it.

Funny enough but Lucifer's white suit reminded me of the white buildings on Miranda (I think the buildings were white).

All the outside shots of Miranda were really washed out. It's only when they found that shuttle pod (?) everyone got shrouded in darkness when the awful truth about Miranda came out.

Though I bet the Alliance leaders all wear white suits. SPN's Lucifer strikes me as such a Mostapha Monde type. That seemingly benevolent, soft-spoken, erudite leader of the dystopia who sees absolutely nothing wrong with stripping humanity of all that makes them human to make them, in their minds, better. Lucifer probably just thinks unleashing the Croatoan virus simply brought out humanity's true violent nature, as if the "hairless apes" can be at ease as they're no longer trying to be something they're not? That all people are nothing but Reavers underneath, that everything on the surface or keeping that true inner horror at bay is just a facade? None of that rational/higher thought, compassion or free will matter at all? Then Luci thinking God will see how wrong he was about humans and welcome him back to Heaven with open arms? You were right about the hairless apes, son. Now come sit by me and we'll have some milk & cookies.... or, if you prefer, we can sit in the Turkish bath together. o.O

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Though he didn't actually say it at any point, the whole character practically was screaming, 'I just want it to be over!' like all his emo angsty angel brothers seem to say at every opportunity. He just didn't care enough to say it.'
Yep.

'Then Luci thinking God will see how wrong he was about humans and welcome him back to Heaven with open arms? You were right about the hairless apes, son. Now come sit by me and we'll have some milk & cookies.... or, if you prefer, we can sit in the Turkish bath together. o.O'
So true. Lucifer does seem to want his daddy to tell him he was right. And he does seem to think that he's not evil, just misunderstood.

[ibroketuesday.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I have the same instinctive squick reaction to that. Future!Cas was a broken tragedy of a man, and whenever people describe him as laid back or funny or etc I'm just like :|

[eido.livejournal.com]

Dude, he was like Nicolas Cage's character in "Leaving Las Vegas", but with more vacant smiling and empty, almost hysterical laughter. Nihilism with a side of batfudge nuts. All the sex just made it more skeevy. Like the hooker whose seen too much but instead self-medicates the pain away. *cringes*

ETA. About the self-medicating hooker, but the ep just before it we have Dean comparing those of absent fathers = prostitutes. Then the very next ep we see a Cas barely coping by way of drugs and sex. So, the world is either full of Reavers, Apocalypse Now or nihilistic, junkie hookers. Fabulous.

[cherryshadowz.livejournal.com]

Future!Cas depresses me like hell. He's so broken.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Word. Nothing hot or "laid back" at all about him. Every scene seemed like he was crying on the inside.