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retro_eidasBuddy TV posted some spoilers (pretty much rehashed from some recent cast interviews), however, since I'm bored as hell and freezing my ass off I thought I'd make a prediction about said spoilers...
The article does claim at the end Anna likely doesn't die in this episode. Although, if one has any sympathy for her at all, that almost seems worse with regard to Show. After all that? I don't imagine anything pleasant is remotely in store in her future, not after what's happened to pretty much everyone who've threatened, attempted to kill or killed Winchesters. If she doesn't die, she either gets away scot-free... or she suffers. Considering how Show too often treats it's female characters? I sort of know which way I'm leaning.
I also don't think it's Dean, Sam, Mary or Castiel she should really be worried about, but Lucifer. She threatens his vessel and also alters the future in such a way he might have never resurrected from the Pit?
Not to mention the fact she willingly fell to Earth... and Luci doesn't care for the "hairless apes" much.
Lucifer is going to be pissed off if he discovers her shenanigans and this seems almost set-up in such a way he's bound to. Too much of this impacts him directly for him not to.
So yeah, prediction.....
Part of the reason why I think this is going to happen is I could believe too easily Lucifer wouldn't just kill her quickly and painlessly, he'd want her to suffer. For what she tried to do and her strange, grotesque proclivities towards the "hairless apes".
Also - a more out-there reason - I did find it interesting Jo died the same way Dean did in NRFTW, torn up by a hellhound. Though Dean didn't die in "Croatoan", he was willing to die the same way Ellen did, by Sam's (who's practically like his son) side as Ellen died by her daughter's. Could be just crackspec, but this is coming off like a trend. One female character that died like Dean and the other emulating a way Dean was willing to die, perhaps another female character goes to Hell like Dean?
However, even if that did happen, it might not be all bad. Bear with me here, and I can't take the credit for this as it was![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
sparseparsley's spec over on SPNP's post for these spoilers, but let's say Anna does get dragged to Hell. However, down there, she meets up with Meg. Anna convinces Meg that Lucifer isn't remotely working for her best interests and they team-up? Though I was never a big fan of Jo, I always preferred her interactions and dynamic with her mom. Unfortunately, they'd very likely share a mutual hatred of Castiel (Anna probably feeling betrayed by him two-fold post-5.13 and Meg not too happy he used her as meat bridge in 5.10). If this happens, they could be like a female version of GO's Crowley and Aziraphale. Kripke's certainly homaged Good Omens to the point Gaiman and Pratchett should probably sue his ass, wouldn't be shocked he took it a step further.
"Back to the Future II," the title of the 13th episode of Supernatural's fifth season, marks the first episode of Misha Collins' Castiel when Supernatural returns in January. It also marks the return of Julie McNiven's Anna.
With Supernatural briefly shifting its focus on its heavenly creatures, fans can look forward to a possible showdown between heaven's latest dropout Castiel and rogue angel Anna. Blaming Sam for jump starting the apocalypse, Anna plans an assassination plot and travels back in time to kill the young John and Mary Winchester to prevent baby Sam from being born.
The article does claim at the end Anna likely doesn't die in this episode. Although, if one has any sympathy for her at all, that almost seems worse with regard to Show. After all that? I don't imagine anything pleasant is remotely in store in her future, not after what's happened to pretty much everyone who've threatened, attempted to kill or killed Winchesters. If she doesn't die, she either gets away scot-free... or she suffers. Considering how Show too often treats it's female characters? I sort of know which way I'm leaning.
I also don't think it's Dean, Sam, Mary or Castiel she should really be worried about, but Lucifer. She threatens his vessel and also alters the future in such a way he might have never resurrected from the Pit?
Not to mention the fact she willingly fell to Earth... and Luci doesn't care for the "hairless apes" much.
Lucifer is going to be pissed off if he discovers her shenanigans and this seems almost set-up in such a way he's bound to. Too much of this impacts him directly for him not to.
So yeah, prediction.....
Part of the reason why I think this is going to happen is I could believe too easily Lucifer wouldn't just kill her quickly and painlessly, he'd want her to suffer. For what she tried to do and her strange, grotesque proclivities towards the "hairless apes".
Also - a more out-there reason - I did find it interesting Jo died the same way Dean did in NRFTW, torn up by a hellhound. Though Dean didn't die in "Croatoan", he was willing to die the same way Ellen did, by Sam's (who's practically like his son) side as Ellen died by her daughter's. Could be just crackspec, but this is coming off like a trend. One female character that died like Dean and the other emulating a way Dean was willing to die, perhaps another female character goes to Hell like Dean?
However, even if that did happen, it might not be all bad. Bear with me here, and I can't take the credit for this as it was
sparseparsley's spec over on SPNP's post for these spoilers, but let's say Anna does get dragged to Hell. However, down there, she meets up with Meg. Anna convinces Meg that Lucifer isn't remotely working for her best interests and they team-up? Though I was never a big fan of Jo, I always preferred her interactions and dynamic with her mom. Unfortunately, they'd very likely share a mutual hatred of Castiel (Anna probably feeling betrayed by him two-fold post-5.13 and Meg not too happy he used her as meat bridge in 5.10). If this happens, they could be like a female version of GO's Crowley and Aziraphale. Kripke's certainly homaged Good Omens to the point Gaiman and Pratchett should probably sue his ass, wouldn't be shocked he took it a step further.
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Date: 2009-12-09 11:01 pm (UTC)True. I suppose it's hard to judge whether he'd fit into the plot from the scant information we already have; Anna goes back in time, the boys + Cas follow her, there is a Cas and Anna fight at some point. Lucifer could ostensibly be slotted into there quite easily.
Like I said above, her plan just doesn't seem like something Show would let slide (and if spoilers are right and there's chance of her coming back), without some sort of Byzantine punishment befalling her.
Even if it's not Lucifer, the Anna subplot will have to be resolved in some way that doesn't leave any plot holes. If Cas or Dean or even Sam talks her down, then it raises the question of why she doesn't join them in their efforts to stop Lucifer. If she flees with her murderous intent intact, then the question becomes why stopping this dangerous rogue angel who's out for them doesn't become an important plotline. She won't die, but she has to be - stopped, somehow.
Or maybe Marksha doesn't show up, it's Meg (obvs a surprise attack since I doubt Meg could take Anna if she couldn't take Cas)? An army of hellhounds and demons backing her up?
lol but Meg can't time travel!
Aw, but I loved Anna/Ruby when it was around. :(
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Date: 2009-12-10 01:31 pm (UTC)If Cas or Dean or even Sam talks her down, then it raises the question of why she doesn't join them in their efforts to stop Lucifer.
I still always wonder why they didn't ask her in "The Rapture, "Thanks for the intel about Jimmy in danger, Anna, but why don't you try to help him and his family? We can only drive so fast here." Or at least teleported them closer to Jimmy's house at least. I just chalked it up to poor writing, however, they could conceivably go back to stuff like that (pretend they meant it all along *snorts*) and suggest Anna wasn't ever 100% trustworthy, then build off of it. There are the ingredients for that there (thanks to their classy writing skillz).
She won't die, but she has to be - stopped, somehow.
ITA. I just don't think they could just take her word for it either or, at least, I'm not sure how satisfying an ending that would be. "Well, she promised to never try to kill our family again, she seemed legit when she said it!" All this gets dodgier if, like what
lol but Meg can't time travel!
After they all get back to the present bb!! ;D I wouldn't be totally shocked, after Anna (at least claims to) sees the error of her ways, transports them all back to the present.... only for Anna to get jumped by Lucifer and/or Meg for her shenanigans in the past.
Aw, but I loved Anna/Ruby when it was around. :(
Srsly tho, wasn't Anna supposed to have taken over after Castiel's (much shorter in the original plan) tenure was over? However, Cas/Misha proved to be so crazy popular, they kept him and dropped Anna down to recurring. Would make sense to me the original formula had involved some Anna-Ruby rel'p of some kind. Likely in parallel to Dean-Sam (or Aziraphale-Crowley).
They axed Ruby, so now we get Meg back. Meg who is very clearly being used by Lucifer and Anna, who I could easily see pissing off Lucifer with her mad plan ... like with Anna-Ruby, there's already some very nice set-up for common ground/mutually beneficial rel'p if Meg can see the truth about Lu and helps Anna escape. And they'd be their own unit separate from the guys as I doubt either of them would have much love for Team WinCast by that point, but they'd hate Lu more.
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Date: 2009-12-12 07:29 am (UTC)Same. The writers were like LOL WELL JULIE IS CONTRACTED FOR THESE EPISODES BUT THE FANS HATE HER SO WE'LL JUST SLOT HER IN, HEY-O! :| And, honestly, I'd hate to see them go back and be like well look, Anna was unreliable all this time! Because I really like Anna.
After they all get back to the present bb!! ;D I wouldn't be totally shocked, after Anna (at least claims to) sees the error of her ways, transports them all back to the present.... only for Anna to get jumped by Lucifer and/or Meg for her shenanigans in the past.
Ah, now this scenario I like.
wasn't Anna supposed to have taken over after Castiel's (much shorter in the original plan) tenure was over?
Yep. Obviously the plot wouldn't have been exactly the same, but Anna was supposed to be S4's main angel.
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Date: 2009-12-12 12:26 pm (UTC)Also, being a superior officer (like Zachariah?), was she aware of the whole prophecy BS that Castiel apparently wasn't? The whole "planetary enema" plan or at least the sentiment behind it? When she slept with The Dean in 4.10, did she know he was Michael's vessel? If so, why didn't she say anything then? Oh, that's right, poor writing. *facepalm*
I'd been concerned about Anna's arc ever since the blah of s4's midseason arc, but aside from that I watched the H&H commentary and apparently the most Sera Gamble can seem to muster commending Julie/Anna is how pretty her hair is? o.O Hell, at least Kripke had some more interesting things to say in one of those S4 special features docus (I think in the "Paradiso" section?) comparing Anna's fall to Lucifer's. Though not pleasant, at least that seems a promise of some kind of story not involving.... pretty hair? eh?