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[retro_eidas]

I can't believe this only just dawned on me, but I hope Nick really was all burned away when Lucifer was killing all those women and children of Carthage. Considering he seemed to only say yes to Lucifer to begin with due to his being vulnerable as his wife and child were recently murdered. I suppose that is what one should expect from agreeing to be Satan's meatsuit, but still. *cringes*

Though it's almost like Nick, indirectly, becomes something like the Lady in White. A vengeful, mourning spirit that punishes all those that cross their path, their pain shall be that unlucky traveler's pain. Just as Nick lost his wife and children, so is Lucifer out killing wives/mothers and children. Lucifer - who first appeared to Nick as his wife dressed in white - the facilitator of that horrible vengeance. Lucifer used the word "justice", but we all know what must have been underneath that, for Lucifer and Nick. Some terrible, desperate desire to lash out at the world and God for the wrongs befallen them.

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[eido.livejournal.com]

What I think is so interesting about Nick (and just about every other character we've ever seen succumb to temptation and make some Faustian deal) is how vulnerable Nick became upon the loss of his wife and child. It's a very Campbellian idea, and SPN happens to be a very Campbellian story, that the loss of the feminine leads to very bad things. Or, at least what the feminine often represents in the Hero's Journey, life, love, propagation of life in children, etc). In the absence or loss of this, results in the direct weakening of a noble figure. John lost Mary, he turned into obsessive zealot hellbent on revenge. Sam loses Jessica and then Dean, he becomes John (post-Mary's death). Dean loses Sam, he also becomes John. Castiel loses both his angel brothers and Dean, he loses not only his powers, but his faith.

Intriguing too, though we're told in 5.02 Cas isn't as strong as he was - after Ellen and Jo died - we witness Cas no longer able to exorcise demons. 5.04 - a story with so little life, love and hope and personified in cold-blooded leader future!Dean, using women and his friends like they're meat - no matter how hard that Dean screamed yes to Michael, he never became Michael. 5.04 is also when the angels abandoned Earth. It does seem that the feminine (human) principle is being depicted in direct conjunction with the presence of the divine / divine power. Lack of this principle = lack of divine presence?? If that's the case, maybe when/if Dean should accept he's his mother's son as well as his father's, this is when he'll get Michael superpowers? [/crackspecs]

UGH I CAN'T DEAL WITH CAS DYING OK?! It's so weird, but I think I can actually handle Dean's or Sam's death(s) more than I could Cas'.

[sailorhathor.livejournal.com]

There is something excessively vulnerable about Castiel to the point that it almost makes me want to bawl my head off, the thought of him dying on camera. Although Sam is also like a vulnerable little puppy at times, it seems more like he and Dean can take care of themselves. Cas is still so out of his element. I want to look after him half the time. And Jimmy was such a sweet, vulnerable guy too. I don't want anyone out of the three to die this season, but Cas is the one I'm most afraid for.

Plus the "die and be resurrected" thing has been done to these guys too many times as it is. There are so many other ways they can be hurt and maimed; I hope they find something else to do to them. :D