thoughts about SV & SPN

[retro_eidas]

Wow. They really should have quit while they were ahead with "Eternal". What a big joke that was.

I don't have much to say after having endured that, but I am amazed how the ep could start off well enough, but then turn into about one of the most thorough ass rapes of pretty much all that came before it. I've seen some awful finales in my time, but few of them have grounded out at third so spectacularly as that did. I can't be too surprised since I left this show five seasons ago for a reason and wasn't really expecting certain stories to end well, but, seriously, wow. They even exceeded my expectations of repugnance. However, I am grateful for, if "Doomsday" is setting up the remainder of the series, PS3 warning us in advance! With that, I say goodnight SV! I knew I should have went with the roommates and rewatched "Star Trek". If not for SPN and the exceedingly false hope Chloe's arc this season would have some sort of decent pay-off, I would have.

I am glad of the new people on my flist I met as a result of this season of SV, see you on the other side people!

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Now to the show with the writers that know how to write a finale that doesn't suck out loud...

• Carry On, Wayward Son!! Already, this is a brilliant start.
  
  
• Azazel!Priest murders a bunch of nuns in an astoundingly bloody fashion and sprawls one right over the damn church altar. 5 mins in and the gore quota has already been met in spades!
  
  
• I know this show is all about family, Dean was losing faith there and pilfered one of John's quotes last episode, but I didn't totally buy Bobby's rant at Dean especially considering what Sam's been like to deal with most of this season and Bobby hasn't really been there for all that much of it. Dean and Sam's relationship has gotten rather disturbingly co-dependent this year and I'm actually rather ready for them to take a break from each other for awhile. Obviously to get back together again eventually, but I don't like the idea of quick fixes in this show and if I didn't like anything about the finale it did seem to be heavily implying all will be kosher come S5. Eh. Bobby essentially demanding Dean to keep himself bound to that? Doesn't really blow my skirt up much, but I'm willing to hang in there.
  
  
• I love how it went from Bobby's shack in South Dakota to... Surprise Bellagio? Damn, angels have tacky taste in decor.
  
  
• I think we know where the real Superman is hiding and it ain't in Kansas, he's really possessing Jimmy Novak's meatsuit. The steel smacking sound when Dean punched Castiel? L.O.L.
  
  
• That damn well better be Castiel too, not something bogus like Anna wearing Jimmy. I suppose it wouldn't matter too greatly as long as Misha Collins is still playing whoever, but....dammit, Cas and Dean have the established relationship and forbidden fruit rapport, not Dean and Anna. I think "The Rapture" established Cas and Jimmy are pretty much bound together but I'm going to be paranoid about that until September comes.
  
  
• However, did Cas suddenly pull in some favors? He's going to hold off the squadron of fraking archangels? Oh honey, did you forget you had your ass handed to you by Uriel and he was definitely no archangel? I hope Daddy bails him out there.
  
  
• Cas warding off that dick Zachariah though? Oh, that was glorious. That and forcefully throwing Dean against the wall, putting his hand over his mouth? That is going to be keeping the fanvids and fanfic flowing for months to come.
  
  
• St. Mary's Convent? Lucifer released in a place with the same name as Dean's and Sammy's mommy? That's not too unsettling or anything.
  
  
• CHUCK!! There wasn't enough of you but glad of what we did get! Much lols after writing Lucifer Rising then planning to binge on hookers until the inevitable fire and brimstone rains from the sky. heee
  
  
• Also mass lols with Chuck putting his hand on Cas' shoulder and Cas giving him the stink eye. This ep was surprisingly full of the funny for how grim most of the events in it were.
  
  
• Heh. I was spoiled for Lilith being the final seal, but wasn't sure they were going to have the salt for Sam (and I was fairly convinced it would be him if it happened) to actually kill her.
  
  
• You see writers, how much BETTER Ruby worked as a heinously evil, two-faced bitch? Now only if they did that sooner I might have tolerated her more!
  
  
• As I thought, Ruby ended up just like witchy slut from 4.07 and right after proclaiming her undying loyalty for her utterly evil main squeeze, but then gets killed for her efforts.
  
  
• I take it it was Ruby altering Dean's message to Sam with her evil smirk, but considering Castiel said he didn't have "coverage" (heh!) in Bellagio Heaven, then that was either the pro-Apocalypse angels manipulating what Dean said in the message or it was Ruby.
  
  
• Poor poor disillusioned Sammy. I would have more sympathy if you weren't such a blind, arrogant dbag to your brother who went to Hell for you too many times this season while running off with that demon skank. Which just made you look like a total idiot. I wouldn't blame Dean for any "I told you so"s when they're not busy pissing themselves watching Lucifer bust out of the pokey.
  
  
• Dean, Sam and Castiel as Heaven's most wanted next season? Is it September yet??

Comments

[maze2010.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes to everything.

So, I haven't watched Smallville yet, should I just delete it off TiVo?

[vagrantdream.livejournal.com]

Yes to everything SV.
That was the most disgusting rape of a storyline ever (the second half especially). Just. sick. ick. gross.

I am so glad fandom is in my head.. It's going to make me rewrite it into something I can follow. Still love the pairing and think canon is crap, so, hey. I have a lot of work to do.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Even if I ignored certain parts of SV of which we have common interest, there was nothing else in the ep offering up anything what a finale should be.

Clark justifiably pissed at Oliver, then he just isn't. Oliver not only doing nothing to make amends for the dick he's been most of this season, but he's actually vindicated for it! I'm not going to deny Jimmy having some nasty things happen to him this season, but he was also acting like a heinous jerk ("Marrying you was the worst mistake of my life", the ranty, shitty e-mails he sent her when he was supposedly so worried about her well-being. Yeah, wtf happened to that?? o hai continuity swept into SV's swelling plot blackhole) The little brother that was all of a sudden (that apparently wasn't invited to the wedding as Chloe never met him before) is the real Jimmy Olsen. Oliver's lone mantear at Jimmy's funeral. Then of course that laughably pathetic showdown with Doomsday that was about 2 mins long. I know they've got a budget to consider, but even if I hadn't read the epic, iconic comic book story (which I have btw, more pity me!!), that's paltry even on an SV scale. The fight with Bizarro was more epic than that. The fight with Zod!Lex was more epic, etc etc. AND THIS WAS DOOMSDAY!!! That was a sorry excuse for an ep all around. En par to the Lana eps this season and I thought those were the creme of the crop bottom of the barrel.

[vagrantdream.livejournal.com]

^ you got the discontinuities down so much better than I ever did.
YES!

The Jimmy thing literally made me sick. What did they do to Chloe. I loved Chloe. She was my sole foothold in SV and now, after this?!?
Also, for me, it even sinks lower than the Lana crapfest. because it messed with Chloe/Davis, maybe, but worst, it pretty much character assassinated them both.
that=not my canon.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I was LMFAO how hard they stuck to their Chimmy guns in the very end and pretty much totally and utterly out of no where. Despite how nobody liked the story and they had to know it. Chlavis may have been dark and complicated, but it was so obvious it was so vastly more interesting and layered than Chimmy (and the chem, my god the chem). It's as simple as them killing the storyline, the one that fans most responded to and a big contributor to this season being watchable, in favor of stubbornly and stupidly stroking their own egos. Chimmy really was Lana all over again. Another story that should have been over ages ago because it ceased having a purpose on any levels but because they have their own personal hard-on for it, even if it was damaging all involved and not so good for the overall plot, they stuck to it anyway. Just another Wesley and like Lana did for most of the latter seasons, Chimmy - even if it wasn't the only thing - helped tank the finale. Well done writers. Your talentlessness and arrogance wins out again!

[sailorhathor.livejournal.com]

This is making me laugh, because I once had a guinea pig named Chimmy. :D Chimney Soot Face, nickname Chimmy, because she had a black face and white body. I think she was far more likeable than the Chimmy in the SV season finale.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I think she was far more likeable than the Chimmy in the SV season finale.

I don't doubt it. Guinea pigs are little puffballs of cute, certainly not repugnant black holes of suck.

[sailorhathor.livejournal.com]

lol!

What the heck was that at the end, in Lex's house? I'm not that familiar with the Superman villains.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Nekkid, reborn Zod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Zod), most likely. That was his symbol emblazoned on the lawn. He was also yelling "Zod!!!" in a faux-creepy, spectacularly corny fashion.

[eido.livejournal.com]

If you were remotely a Chloe, Chloe/Davis or Davis fan? Delete it with extreme prejudice and never look back. Just pretend it all ended at "Eternal". Go rewatch "Lucifer Rising" instead, rewatch it many times in order to expunge even the vaguest need to watch SV.

[maze2010.livejournal.com]

*you're outside your coverage zone

suddenly I feel better. Do you think the SV finale was one of the seals breaking?

[eido.livejournal.com]

Nothing so grandiose, but Zach did mention howler monkeys tossing feces around. I think that was it.

[maze2010.livejournal.com]

Heee. . .oh crazypants!Zach. Always good for a chuckle.

[maze2010.livejournal.com]

Kripke should hire Sam Witwer. . .I totally buy him as Michael or Raphael

[eido.livejournal.com]

I'd use the word "save" rather than "hire", but hell yes on being able to see SW as Michael, Raphael or another archangel. He has so much gravitas for an actor as young as he is and he's utterly wasted on SV.

[maze2010.livejournal.com]

Although it could lead to some major Tv explosions. gah who cares, they should go for it!

[paraxdisepink.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'll catch up on s3-4 of SPN and start watching again.

But dear god what a waste. It's unbelievable how many factions of their fanbase they've pissed off in one hour. I too am done and I'm taking SV off my DVR.

Yeah, "Eternal" is the AU point. It would have made slightly more sense if he'd killed *himself* But proclaiming Chimmy True Love! And making Davis a psychopath? WTF did that accomplish? Showing that his human side can be bad? Proving a stupid point so Clark can take an even stupider character path? Making me hate Chloe?

I don't get it.

[eido.livejournal.com]

And making Davis a psychopath? WTF did that accomplish? Showing that his human side can be bad?

It said, don't show compassion, not to anyone and Clark and Chloe really were just as big of idiots as Oliver was calling them. No matter how desperate and alone and how any decent person in Davis' position would have done just as he had done, killing themselves so many times to try to stop what was inside of him ... because they're really just killers and liars and psychopaths in their core. The whole of S8 wasn't actually telling us villains have more dimensions then black and white, that they're people that you can relate to, they really are all black and white in the end.

ETA. SPN beat down SV last night like it owed it money. Not even the slightest competition, it was a slaughterhouse.

[biichan.livejournal.com]

It said, don't show compassion, not to anyone

Smallville is such a fucking neocon show. It seriously, seriously is.

[eido.livejournal.com]

It has to be to explain that ending. There aren't good people doing bad things, there are just bad people and they need to be eradicated. Without hesitation. Davis really wasn't a good man in a horrible situation, despite everything telling us he was a good man in a horrible situation. No, he really was a one-dimensional bloodthirsty, psycho killer all along and it totally wasn't to justify making NotJimmy A Martyr (who knows everything "right to say", like, for example, "Marrying you was the worst mistake of my life." Buy you a church and obviously all is forgiven)! Just listen to the dbag billionaire industrialist when he tells you to do something! As he should be totally justified as he wasn't at all transferring his bloodlust and revenge at his victim's father onto his victim. But he was a bad guy anyway, so who cares he's killed in cold blood.

[madluv4mickbeth.livejournal.com]

SMALLVILLE = EPIC FAIL
SUPERNATURAL = KICKASS... NOW THAT'S HOW YOU DO A SEASON FINALE *COUGH* SV PS3 *COUGH*

[eido.livejournal.com]

Normally I hate Big Red Reset Buttons, but in the case of last night's SV, I'd be glad to handwave that whole kerfuffle as Junkie Jim's drug addled hallucination.

[madluv4mickbeth.livejournal.com]

OOOHHH OOOHHHH OHMYGOSH!!! *huggles you right now* THAT!! THAT's it... it was jimmy hallucinating b4 he died... HELL 2 THE YAH :)

[ailurophile6.livejournal.com]

I have pretty much disliked the entire season of Smallville, but the finale was horrible. I should have stopped watching when Rosenbaum left!

Supernatural, otoh, was fantastic!

[eido.livejournal.com]

It was like a Pinto next to a Mercedes. The battle with Doomsday didn't even live up to past battles in this show, much less the iconic comic book story it was supposed to be based on!

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Hahaha, oh man, Dean's gonna lord it over Sam's head FOREVER. I agree, I'd be more sympathetic, but Sam was really the weak one all along. Yay for Ruby death! Finally!

I think it's lame how they kinda castrated Azazel here, he was so cool in S1-2, but now he's just a lacky? Bah. Tho I do like Cas going off the script, finally someone realizes fate is bullshit!

The ending was convenient tho, I can still have Lucifer!Dean! The light can be kinda like Anna's grace, and gets sucked into Dean. :3

[eido.livejournal.com]

Hahaha, oh man, Dean's gonna lord it over Sam's head FOREVER. I agree, I'd be more sympathetic, but Sam was really the weak one all along.

I'm going to be so annoyed if they try to just sweep all S4's angst and turmoil (much of which was Sam's fault) under the rug. I want him to earn back Dean's trust and respect.

The ending was convenient tho, I can still have Lucifer!Dean!

I totally thought it was symbolic with Dean locked up in the angel's tacky Baroque cell and only blood could realize him (well, the blood spell was to ward off Zachariah, but still!). While a demon's blood released Lucifer from his own prison. I'm calling it foreshadowing, despite all the Lucifer!Sam anvils they were dropping in the ep.

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Sam's got a lot of earning to do. I think he's pretty much Dean's bitch forever. XP

Lucifer!Sam? oh they better not. Way too obvious. Only reason people would be shocked is because they're amazed at how lame it is. And ratings plummet.

Have an awesome fic: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5061891/1
This is how the finale SHOULD have gone.

[eido.livejournal.com]

However, the whole "reward" Ruby mentioned makes it sound like Sam isn't so much Lucifer, but maybe destined for Lucifer's bitchseat with Ruby planning to ride in the sidecar. Except Dean - apparently the one destined to stop Lucifer - would probably have a say in that.

However, Dean is once again made in conjunction with Leader of Angels (4.07) and, specifically, archangel Michael (that painting in 4.22 following nearly the same motife as the one in HOTH). Michael who led the angels in Revelation against the demon horde. If Dean is an angel, they seem to be dropping some heavy hints of which one he might be.

Got that fic bookmarked and I'll read it when I'm not drowning in Nu ST fanfic. ;)

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's what I meant, but either way, Lucifer!Sam would be lame. Still wonder how Dean's gonna manage to stop ole Luce, I hardly think it'll be with the power of (his and Sam's amazing gay) love.

I do like the thought of Lucifer!Dean, but Michael really does fit him pretty well. http://www.badassoftheweek.com/stmichael.html
Don't ya think? XD There were allusions to Michael!Dean in "Houses of the Holy" as well, I think.

Some people would hate angel!Dean, but Michael is so freakin' badass that they really can't complain. XP He'd be nothing like those waffling douchebags like Uriel and Zachariah. Cas was kinda stuffy, but he's cool now.

[dragon-faere.livejournal.com]

First off I just want to say I'm so fucking glad Ruby's dead. Dead and dead and not coming back. Ruby was so much better as an evil bitch. (although I still miss Ruby V1.0)

The steel smacking sound when Dean punched Castiel? L.O.L. Haha, oh Castiel. He's just that awesome.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I didn't even know wtf they were doing with Ruby, although I'm glad they finally went the evil route with her. I was getting tired of the labored Demoness With The Heart of Gold bs and helping make Sam a moron. She was the big weak point in Sam's S4 arc. That and the actress was... eh. Katie Cassidy at least had some natural charisma.