SPN thoughts

[retro_eidas]

• Wow. That was quite bloody.
  
  
• Although, Dean honey, even the Ghost Hunters are wise enough to NOT go traipsing around scary places alone or at least tell someone where they're going. Ah yes, let's go exploring the subterranean dirt hole with no back-up.
  
  
• However, I did love the angel window as his salvation. Cas saving him even if it's only symbolically!
  
  
• Amazing! John Winchester has been dead for two seasons and he still manages to prove what a rat bastard of a father he was. He can take that kid to a baseball game but can't even call Dean back in "Home" or when Dean was dying in "Faith"? Right. I have to wonder if that kid might have actually lived too had John simply stayed away from him instead of storming into town playing loving daddy and while there started killing, thus pissing off, the local supernatural nasties. Making Adam and his mother instant targets and only with John's part-time protection. Well done dbag, well done. Oh, btw...
  
  
• No Sammy, I do not think Dean comparing you to John was a compliment. At all. And holy Jesus, Dean is right with that comparison too. Sam has always been very much like John (Dean also said as much in "Devil's Trap", but "Mystery Spot" proved it as well). Sammy was flipping scary tonight.
  
  
• Also glad to see all that Ruby-vampiring to make Sam SuperSammy is really coming into use with more than just demons.... oh wait. The writers were even rubbing it in our faces, with the ghouls mentioning Sam's blood "tastes different". Yes, that would be the juiced-up demon blood that's apparently NO USE AT ALL in a situation not involving demons. Y'all realize Lilith hired herself up some ghouls (or shapeshifters or vampires or whatever supernatural nasties hiring... or hell, some greedy, ne'er-do-well humans) and got the jump on Sam, he'd apparently be little use to stop them.
  
  
• "[Adam's] in a better place" He forgot that conversation with Tessa already, did he? It wasn't *that* many eps ago, Dean. Is that indicative of Dean still lying to himself or realizes it's a lie but would rather cling to the pretty words than even think of going down that Deal For Your Soul To Save A Brother road again (for one brief second there I thought that was what Sam was about to suggest and was ready for a rant until he mentioned Cas).

ETA. I'm also left baffled why we needed an ep that essentially boiled down to whatever remained of Dean's John Hero Worship about totally smashed to pieces and Sammy being a lot like John (which we already knew, but Sam seems to have embraced with an all new fervor). What relevance could this have so near the end of the season, to the finale?

Comments

[eido.livejournal.com]

I liked the episode simply for the conflict and how it unfolded, and how excited I was watching Dean figure it out.

The ep was ok overall, with some choice moments. The horror on his face when he realized that Sam was with fake!Adam? That was some quality tv right there.

It the end, it seemed pointless.

About the only things I could pinpoint being relevant, at least for the denouement of this season, was the boys re-examining their rel'ps with John and how that effects the current dynamics of their own rel'p. Oh and yet another reminder how very delusional Sam is nowadays. Ugh, that *wasn't* a complement Sam.

John is just the most selfish dick, and I'm sick of him being treated as the greatest hero ever.

It makes me really wonder about those God = John parallels from earlier in the season and if they're still relevant at this point.

How could he allow himself the luxury of a normal vacation, taking Adam to baseball games and shit, while his oldest was "home" taking care of Sam when he was FAR too young to be "the parent"?

I share your sentiment about being appalled by the whole situation. I'm still baffled why John would even lay claim to Adam as his own. Surely it would have been *far* safer for the kid had he stayed the hell away?

Dean and Sam wouldn't have loved him so much if he hadn't been good to them *sometime.* Or do they love him simply because he was all they had?

Could be just as much the ideal of their father they worshiped/loved possibly more than the man he actually was. I think Dean has been gradually coming to terms with the sort of life he had and the man John was, but Sam seems to be going backward. Instead of adopting a more realistic view of John, Sam has clung harder and harder to the ideal, even to the point justifying what he's doing now and Sam is clearly on the *wrong* path.

It really makes me wonder if John truly had no one he could leave the boys with if he was going to go running around the country losing his mind after Mary's death.

Their canonicity is dubious, but in the comics he does leave the boys with relatives from time to time, but one of those times one of the relatives was possessed by a demon nearly killing Dean and taking away Sam. From the warning he gave Dean in IMTOD? John did seem to be aware, more than he seemed willing to tell Dean back then, that there was something wrong with Sam. Depending on when he found out, that probably would have compelled him to keep Sam and Dean close by... until Sam rebelled and ran off to Stanford.

Overall, I do love a lot of what they've done this season, but they need to put the hope back in this show.

Unless they give us the Hamlet ending, I do strongly suspect that will be next season's arc. Dean and Sam slowly mending their rel'p. Castiel probably a key to that.

[sailorhathor.livejournal.com]

>>About the only things I could pinpoint being relevant, at least for the denouement of this season, was the boys re-examining their rel'ps with John and how that effects the current dynamics of their own rel'p.

That's true. But I think they could have accomplished that with Adam turning out to be a complete trick, and not their real brother. Except that with Adam being real and John's kid, it solidified more for Dean that his dad could be a really perplexing jerk of a father, which it seemed he had figured out already.

>>I'm still baffled why John would even lay claim to Adam as his own. Surely it would have been *far* safer for the kid had he stayed the hell away?

I think it was purely ego and longing for the normal life he had with Mary. He's MY son, I get something out of him loving me, I can play house with him and his mother and pretend she's Mary because she has blonde hair like her. On the surface, John knows she's not Mary, but deep down, maybe she reminds him of her, and he likes how it makes him feel to pretend he had a normal life with her just for a little while. I can understand why he would feel that way, but that doesn't mean it's right for him to act on those desires, especially not the way he handled it.

>>I think Dean has been gradually coming to terms with the sort of life he had and the man John was, but Sam seems to be going backward.

Sam definitely switched gears after John died, and I think that's because he fought with John so much and then spent four years away from him, and not so long after that, John is killed. Sam felt guilty. His way of dealing with that guilt was to put John on a pedastal. He doesn't realize that when Dean said he was just like John, Dean wasn't really referring to John's best points.