SPN thoughts

[retro_eidas]

• Wow. That was quite bloody.
  
  
• Although, Dean honey, even the Ghost Hunters are wise enough to NOT go traipsing around scary places alone or at least tell someone where they're going. Ah yes, let's go exploring the subterranean dirt hole with no back-up.
  
  
• However, I did love the angel window as his salvation. Cas saving him even if it's only symbolically!
  
  
• Amazing! John Winchester has been dead for two seasons and he still manages to prove what a rat bastard of a father he was. He can take that kid to a baseball game but can't even call Dean back in "Home" or when Dean was dying in "Faith"? Right. I have to wonder if that kid might have actually lived too had John simply stayed away from him instead of storming into town playing loving daddy and while there started killing, thus pissing off, the local supernatural nasties. Making Adam and his mother instant targets and only with John's part-time protection. Well done dbag, well done. Oh, btw...
  
  
• No Sammy, I do not think Dean comparing you to John was a compliment. At all. And holy Jesus, Dean is right with that comparison too. Sam has always been very much like John (Dean also said as much in "Devil's Trap", but "Mystery Spot" proved it as well). Sammy was flipping scary tonight.
  
  
• Also glad to see all that Ruby-vampiring to make Sam SuperSammy is really coming into use with more than just demons.... oh wait. The writers were even rubbing it in our faces, with the ghouls mentioning Sam's blood "tastes different". Yes, that would be the juiced-up demon blood that's apparently NO USE AT ALL in a situation not involving demons. Y'all realize Lilith hired herself up some ghouls (or shapeshifters or vampires or whatever supernatural nasties hiring... or hell, some greedy, ne'er-do-well humans) and got the jump on Sam, he'd apparently be little use to stop them.
  
  
• "[Adam's] in a better place" He forgot that conversation with Tessa already, did he? It wasn't *that* many eps ago, Dean. Is that indicative of Dean still lying to himself or realizes it's a lie but would rather cling to the pretty words than even think of going down that Deal For Your Soul To Save A Brother road again (for one brief second there I thought that was what Sam was about to suggest and was ready for a rant until he mentioned Cas).

ETA. I'm also left baffled why we needed an ep that essentially boiled down to whatever remained of Dean's John Hero Worship about totally smashed to pieces and Sammy being a lot like John (which we already knew, but Sam seems to have embraced with an all new fervor). What relevance could this have so near the end of the season, to the finale?

Comments

[eido.livejournal.com]

I've seen the episode titles and they intrigued me. I wonder if Dean's gonna find out about the demon blood drinking?

I don't know how he can't find out about it. They were practically clanging the anvils the last few eps how Sam is *terrified* Dean will find out about it. So, what happens? Dean finds out about it. Just like he did the mind-exorcising and Sam's BFF Ruby.

I don't wanna say delusious, but maybe his idiolization?, of his family this season. He's been broken in the worst ways possible and the one person he thought he could count on hasn't really come through for him.

From ITB finding out his *mother* wasn't only a hunter, but where the first deal started and the family curse basically began. I consider JtS a bookend to that ep. Then obviously Sam's whole arc this season. I don't want to say Dean's growing up, but in a lot of ways Dean's psychological growth was seriously stunted due to the life he's led from a very early age. It's like the whole season has functioned to systematically take down that pedestal - or idolization, like you said - of his family..... but to what ends? Dean live a healthier life? Unfortunately, I doubt that's the case considering I did consider Tessa's warning - about what the angels had in store for him - not being something very pleasant at all. Not just counting OTHOAP and the torturing by angels' "request" either.

If Sam does leave I think he'll be in for a big surprise when he comes back. Dean isn't going to put up with him forever.

Sam's gotten way too spoiled and complacent of Dean's presence through the years and I truly think he's been taking that for granted particularly this season. I think Sam is going to finally feel the consequences of that before the very end of the season, maybe a little into S5 too.

[amaresu]

Then obviously Sam's whole arc this season.

I can't decide if they're going to make Sam go completely dark side or not with this arc. It still seems like he might go towards redemption.

And what the hell is up with Ruby? I wanna believe that she's on the side of good, if going about it badly, but I don't think Supernatural is gonna go that route.

It's like the whole season has functioned to systematically take down that pedestal - or idolization, like you said - of his family..... but to what ends?

I think that alot of Dean's arc this season has been about him finding faith. More specifically faith in something besides his family. His faith in John has been slowly being deconstructed over the course of the show, JtS being the final nail in that coffin I think, and Sam's been doing his damnedest to destroy Dean's faith in him this season.

Then we have Castiel who's been trying to get Dean to have faith in God all season. I think in order for Dean to have faith in God, or even just Castiel, he needs to lose his faith in his family. He needs to be torn down before he can be built back up. And really at this point I'm not entirely sure that's a bad thing. Dean needs to have faith in something and it's become increasingly clear that what he's had faith in doesn't really deserve it.

I'm not sure that what's going to happen, particularly in the next few episodes, is going to be anything near good for him, but it seems to be what they've been building up to. Sam leaving him could be the final straw there.

Sam's gotten way too spoiled and complacent of Dean's presence through the years and I truly think he's been taking that for granted particularly this season.

Without a doubt. I wouldn't be surprised if Sam offers some sort of ultimatum, or says something along the lines of what he said during S&V and BOOM. I don't know, it'll be interesting to see how Sam really screws this up, because I really think it'll be Sam.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I can't decide if they're going to make Sam go completely dark side or not with this arc. It still seems like he might go towards redemption.

I, for one, don't think they'll go all the way dark with Sam. I don't think they're quite done with how far they're pushing him out of the reservation yet, but I still strongly suspect he's going to have a "Oh God!! What Have I Done?!" moment before the season is over. Probably almost near the end of 4.22. Then S5 they'll slowly have Dean and Sam fixing their relationship.

And what the hell is up with Ruby? I wanna believe that she's on the side of good, if going about it badly, but I don't think Supernatural is gonna go that route.

I don't know, but with that evil-looking smirk in OTHOAP while Sam was suckling her arm? I think the girl is on the express train to villain town.

Then we have Castiel who's been trying to get Dean to have faith in God all season. I think in order for Dean to have faith in God, or even just Castiel, he needs to lose his faith in his family.

I can see that and it makes sense. It would be an explanation for Misha's considerable presence next season. I'm already very curious on how Cas' increased presence in their lives will affect Sam. Probably not too well, despite my belief Sam is going to be in the doghouse with Dean come S5.

[amaresu]

but I still strongly suspect he's going to have a "Oh God!! What Have I Done?!" moment before the season is over.

Possibly due to his incredible arrogance this season? I think maybe he'll go too far with his mind powers and maybe even hurt Dean. Or cause Lucifer to rise. Something along those lines.

I think the girl is on the express train to villain town.

That would suck. But I'm really just tired of the lack of reoccurring non-evil female characters. I'll accept Ruby being evil if I can have Ellen or Jo back.