still have sja on the brain
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retro_eidasSlight addition to the last post about it, but right now I'm leaning towards - amongst those particular options ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
calapine brought to my attention - the Shadow. Not that I've neglected the Black Guardian option altogether, but .... I don't really think Team Cardiff would put a first appearance of such a big old school nemesis like the Black Guardian in one of the spin-offs (that's an appearance they'd likely save for the flagship show), but I also really like the idea of just a minion of the Black Guardian having that much power. Cuz if a minion has *that* much power to do what he did in WH2SJ, to the point it believes it can threaten the Doctor and apparently not even blink (if it had eyelids... or eyes anyway)? Then what could his master (in his Nu Who incarnation) be capable of? That would be major bad juju y'all and if anyone poses a real, pants-shitting threat to the Doctor? That's the sort of bad juju, I'd imagine, would be able to do it.
However, I'm thinking of it now in conjunction with something I remember in "The Sound of Drums" which, at the time, didn't make a whole lot of sense (and still doesn't, not really)...
Toclafane: "We have to escape! Because it's coming, sir! The darkness! The never-ending darkness. The terrible, terrible cold. We have to run and run and run and run!"
At the time, I just figured they were the "Utopia" humans still reacting to the encroaching end of the universe, despite not being human anymore. However... I had wondered if it may have a bigger meaning than that or at least double entendre. What were the Toclafane (and, possibly, the Master through them, something he might have unconsciously programmed in them) so afraid of? Might the Black Guardian had something to do with that "sound of drums" the Master kept hearing (apart from this supposed retcon madness the Master was apparently suffering from since he was a kid)? Due to the madness or lack of understanding, unable to comprehend what they meant exactly... but he was scared of them and they were driving him mad. If the drums were somehow being caused by the Black Guardian, why wasn't/isn't the Doctor picking up on them? Either the BG is better at concealing himself from the Doctor or could the White Guardian be protecting him (the Doctor)?
From "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane", pt.2:
Hooded Nemesis / Voldemort lookalike: "Chaos is my blood and air and food. You are the key to that chaos, I have been waiting. Searching through time, just the right person and just the right moment. I took you to aide the coming of darkness."
Y HALO THAR Black Guardian speculations!! BG probably would be right at home on, say, the planet Ten/Martha/Jack found Professor Yana and Chantho. The very end of the universe when all the stars are being devoured into nothingness... in utter darkness.
Maybe Rusty has had a grand plan all along? And it's been spilling out all over the place. Bad Wolf? The release of Abaddon? Bilis Manger = another incarnation of the Shadow? As is possibly the black hooded Voldie-type in SJA?
A new Black Guardian trilogy, perhaps for the 2009 specials (and also probably the big send-off for Tennant)? If that's the case, looks like Rusty & posse upgraded BG quite a bit from the bloke with the dead bird on his head (allbeit a powerful, godlike bloke with a bird on his head) he'd been to apocalyptic baddie to end them all?
If it has been the Black Guardian getting up to all this nasty business and manipulating events which span three different shows, wtf has the White Guardian been doing about it? Sending in/guiding his little knights - namely, the Doctor, Jack & Sarah Jane and their respective companions - before things get too disastrous, unbeknownst to any of them? However, as benevolent gods do, not actually intervening? What was he doing while the Time War was in full thrall? If we are getting BG back and he has had big bad juju upgrade, I'd bet anything it would turn out he probably had something to do with starting the Time War.
**Also, there are "Doctor Who" spoilers (or huge rumors which are hardly spoilers, but I'll call them spoilers to be on the safe side) in the comments.**
calapine brought to my attention - the Shadow. Not that I've neglected the Black Guardian option altogether, but .... I don't really think Team Cardiff would put a first appearance of such a big old school nemesis like the Black Guardian in one of the spin-offs (that's an appearance they'd likely save for the flagship show), but I also really like the idea of just a minion of the Black Guardian having that much power. Cuz if a minion has *that* much power to do what he did in WH2SJ, to the point it believes it can threaten the Doctor and apparently not even blink (if it had eyelids... or eyes anyway)? Then what could his master (in his Nu Who incarnation) be capable of? That would be major bad juju y'all and if anyone poses a real, pants-shitting threat to the Doctor? That's the sort of bad juju, I'd imagine, would be able to do it.However, I'm thinking of it now in conjunction with something I remember in "The Sound of Drums" which, at the time, didn't make a whole lot of sense (and still doesn't, not really)...
Toclafane: "We have to escape! Because it's coming, sir! The darkness! The never-ending darkness. The terrible, terrible cold. We have to run and run and run and run!"
At the time, I just figured they were the "Utopia" humans still reacting to the encroaching end of the universe, despite not being human anymore. However... I had wondered if it may have a bigger meaning than that or at least double entendre. What were the Toclafane (and, possibly, the Master through them, something he might have unconsciously programmed in them) so afraid of? Might the Black Guardian had something to do with that "sound of drums" the Master kept hearing (apart from this supposed retcon madness the Master was apparently suffering from since he was a kid)? Due to the madness or lack of understanding, unable to comprehend what they meant exactly... but he was scared of them and they were driving him mad. If the drums were somehow being caused by the Black Guardian, why wasn't/isn't the Doctor picking up on them? Either the BG is better at concealing himself from the Doctor or could the White Guardian be protecting him (the Doctor)?
From "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane", pt.2:
Hooded Nemesis / Voldemort lookalike: "Chaos is my blood and air and food. You are the key to that chaos, I have been waiting. Searching through time, just the right person and just the right moment. I took you to aide the coming of darkness."
Y HALO THAR Black Guardian speculations!! BG probably would be right at home on, say, the planet Ten/Martha/Jack found Professor Yana and Chantho. The very end of the universe when all the stars are being devoured into nothingness... in utter darkness.
Maybe Rusty has had a grand plan all along? And it's been spilling out all over the place. Bad Wolf? The release of Abaddon? Bilis Manger = another incarnation of the Shadow? As is possibly the black hooded Voldie-type in SJA?
A new Black Guardian trilogy, perhaps for the 2009 specials (and also probably the big send-off for Tennant)? If that's the case, looks like Rusty & posse upgraded BG quite a bit from the bloke with the dead bird on his head (allbeit a powerful, godlike bloke with a bird on his head) he'd been to apocalyptic baddie to end them all?
If it has been the Black Guardian getting up to all this nasty business and manipulating events which span three different shows, wtf has the White Guardian been doing about it? Sending in/guiding his little knights - namely, the Doctor, Jack & Sarah Jane and their respective companions - before things get too disastrous, unbeknownst to any of them? However, as benevolent gods do, not actually intervening? What was he doing while the Time War was in full thrall? If we are getting BG back and he has had big bad juju upgrade, I'd bet anything it would turn out he probably had something to do with starting the Time War.
**Also, there are "Doctor Who" spoilers (or huge rumors which are hardly spoilers, but I'll call them spoilers to be on the safe side) in the comments.**
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Date: 2007-11-09 02:29 am (UTC)And thus what was said about the impossibility of breaching the universes in "Doomsday" isn't totally undermined/handwaved and the danger remains for mere ephemerals like the Doctor by his lonesome without his people's help... but the Black Guardian probably passes to and fro between them without breaking a sweat.
I'm not sure I buy the "Black Guardian started the Time War" theory, but I don't doubt he was watching it and giggling.
It makes sense in my brain
(but then my brain is full of crack, don't listen to me!!), what better way to cause seriously delicious beaucoup chaos then get rid of most of the Time Lords? Barring that one annoying bastard who he may have a grudge against and decided to keep alive to torture him? Kept the Master around too for the purposes of Doctor-torture? "There used to be laws stopping this kind of thing from happening - my people would have stopped this. But they're all gone."And as long as we're using DVD releases to predict in-series developments, may I point out that "Destiny of the Daleks" is also being released?
Which would be Romana (again!! YAY!!) and the other much rumored nemesis return.
Freema's already played two characters...
I thought of that, but then I'd wonder if Rusty might just find that funny/cute, but I'm inclined to share your skepticism.
OH! And I meant to say, in my last comment, that in the wake of "The Armageddon Factor", you could plausibly argue that there IS no White Guardian -- or that the White and Black Guardians are the same entity.
And with that, you've just done my head in.