spec from "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane" pt. 2

[retro_eidas]

So the specs over on OG about Scary Voldemort-type hooded nemesis? There's a thread spec'ing if he's the Black Guardian.

Which is a character I don't know a lot about (only eps I've seen him in are "Enlightenment" and the Key to Time arc) and so I've got an excuse to start watching old skool eppies. YAY!

And here I am watching "Mawdryn Undead"...

Black Guardian: "Waking or sleeping, I shall be with you, until our business in concluded."

Well hell, that's pretty much what Voldie-type says to Andrea in WHtSJ and pretty much under the same circumstance he said it to Turlough. Both in near-death experiences and saved via an agreement, but only when the agreement is made. The bargain with Andrea and then promising he'll always be with her. Then gives her a black box straight outta "Hellraiser", while Turlough got a white crystal thing.

Voldie-type also mentioned "ephemerals", which pinged my radar as it's what the Eternals called everyone not them in "Enlightenment"... which is another ep that features the Black & White Guardians. Voldie also kept going on and on about "chaos" and "consuming chaos" (chaos vs. order, Black Guardian vs White Guardian).

You know, I'm thinking those OG fanboys are onto something. The Black Guardian back in SJA/Whoniverse?? Voldie-type also threatened the bloody Doctor. Oh baby. This could get interesting. And how's it come to the point SJA has gotten better villain anticipation - more intriguing especially if this is the Black Guardian - than Nu Who can with the returns of the Daleks, Cybermen or the Master?? The kid's show is doing all the heavy-lifting!

Of course, if Voldie-wannabe is the Black Guardian, where is the White? If there is anything to this Guardians business, presumedly it was the White Guardian that gave Sarah Jane her box (which she gave to Maria)?

Comments

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

This is completely and totally off-topic (as I haven't seen the episode yet), but am I the only American viewer who did a little double-take at a character named Andrea Yates? (Er, not that that should matter a jot to the show producers, was just wondering.)

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

And if it is the Black Guardian, that would be a slice of awesome cake.

[eido.livejournal.com]

It would be one of the better intros of a major classic villain back in Nu Whoniverse... of anything if that is, in fact, the Black Guardian. I suppose in fairness, the Master got a pretty awesome intro too (Derek effing Jacobi) and I'd been hyped, until we got the disco dancing and Dobby-ing and... *cries* And I'm still trying to purge that stupid Abaddon shit from my brain. May SJA not similarly spectacularly fail in final execution.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I suppose that's what I get for usually leaving the evening news as background noise to whatever I'm doing at the time. Didn't even dawn on me until you brought it up. *cringes*

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

I was scrolling through someone's review of the episode, saw the name and went "Huh? What would that case have to do with--" and then realized it was just a coincidence. Though it makes me wonder if there's ever been a supporting American TV character innocently named, say, "Myra Hindley" or something. (Yes, my brain is full of needless trivia, thank you for noticing.)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I'm torn between Black Guardian (yay, chaos! + deals + "waking or sleeping"), the Shadow (making deals through mirrors) and Eternals (the stuff about ephemerals).

[eido.livejournal.com]

Oh my god. Any one of those options? Massive win. Particularly, I've been hoping for a return of the Eternals in Whoniverse since the Doctor started answering to Lonely God (what better way to smack some sense into him then get reacquainted to a classic bunch a helluva lot closer to gods than he is. Ahem! I seem to remember someone writing a fic on those lines. The Eternals have also been name-dropped a couple of times in Who already).

Although between the "chaos" obsession, flat-out threatening the Doctor, the bargaining (but only paying up upon agreement / giving over your free will), "waking or sleeping" and apparently massive time & space powers? I'm a bit biased though to the BG idea, since that would mean Sarah Jane faced down the effing Black Guardian all by her lonesome... srsly, dude. Then again, so did Turlough (eventually), but still!!

[calapine.livejournal.com]

If it is the BG then I am DESPERATELY SAD that he's decided to ditch the dead bird on his head look.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Perhaps Team Cardiff feared the wrath of PETA?

The Voldie-maybe-BG guy apparently also played Chief Reaver Futurekind in "Utopia" or so I hear. He was totally scarier here (on the kiddie show! HA!).