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[retro_eidas]

New S4 pics... with Martha bonus! YAYZ!

She's got a ring on her finger which, understandably, folks are wondering if it means she's engaged/married. Possibly. As a woman could only ever get over someone by being suddenly married off. *insert massive eyeroll here*

Although - as my brain is full of crackspec as anyone who reads my Who posts probably knows at this point - I'm wondering if it might be a modified version of this ring....



I'm thinking a Master possession in S4 is all but an inevitability. It's not only an old skool thing he does, but he totally has no body now (as Jedi!Doctor burninated it).

I do have to admit, as long as she doesn't end up Truly Dead by the end of it, I think the idea of Master!Martha is kind of hot. However, that could just be me desirous to see (Not)Martha kick the Doctor's scrawny ass ("Second best", I'll show him "second best"), so I could be a little biased.

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[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

I know the chances are vanishingly small, but I cannot stop hoping that the next Doctor will be old and crotchety and not remotely attractive on his physical merits alone. Yes, Tennant, you are pretty, and I am not above enjoying your ass or your pretty brown eyes, but most of the time, you are still Doctor Lite. And you are somehow not as hot as Troughton.

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

I think they've already pretty much flat-out stated that there'll never be another older, crotchety, grandfatherly-looking Doctor (them saying that Bill Nighy, my own dream pick for Eleven, was out because he "couldn't handle the stunts" is a beautiful moment of pure ageism on top of the rest of the show's kicks to the teeth), another reason that I can't manage to take Nu Who at all seriously--as you said, Doctor Lite. And Troughton (and Baker, T.) are more attractive because they have that Doctor-ness about them, they're not just standing there and looking (supposedly) gorgeous. I miss that terribly. (And I am dying to write some Two/Martha, though it'll have to wait until the other stories are wrapped.)

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

And Troughton (and Baker, T.) are more attractive because they have that Doctor-ness about them

O YES. Also Baker, C. Though that may be just me. I'm, er, a bit of a sucker for a Doctor with an outsized ego. And Hartnell, W, of course! Who is this Bill Nighy of whom you speak? *wikis*

(And I am dying to write some Two/Martha, though it'll have to wait until the other stories are wrapped.)

You and me both, my friend. I'll be looking forward to yours. Write faster!

[eido.livejournal.com]

a bit of a sucker for a Doctor with an outsized ego.

At least we know his was on purpose.

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

Point.

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

Bill Nighy's been the Davy Jones character (under twenty pounds of makeup) in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, Slartibartfast in the Hitchhiker's movie, the aging rock star in Love, Actually and the stepdad in Shaun of the Dead--and he's only in his fifties, like Hartnell was, so fuck this "too creaky for the stunts" shit. He'd be great. But alas. And I only don't include Baker, C. in my "more attractive" list 'cos I haven't yet seen him in action. :-) His personality sounds fun.

"You and me both, my friend. I'll be looking forward to yours."

Can you imagine "Smith and Jones" if it were Two in the hospital and not Ten? For one thing, he'd have been very kind to that other doctor (Julia?) who was panicked about losing air if they opened the doors.

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

And Two is so cute in hospital. ♥♥♥ I agree that he wouldn't have just tossed the panicking med student by the curbside, too, though I suspect that Ten isn't the only incarnation who would. Two was unusually thoughtful of people around him--have we seen any other Docs so careful to clue other people in?

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

"I agree that he wouldn't have just tossed the panicking med student by the curbside, too, though I suspect that Ten isn't the only incarnation who would."

Much as I adore Four, I have to admit that he would've tossed her aside too, or at least got very snappish. Three would've just rolled his eyes and kept on walking.

"Two was unusually thoughtful of people around him--have we seen any other Docs so careful to clue other people in?"

Maybe Eight would be as well? As far as the onscreen Doctors, Two definitely comes off (to me) as the most thoughtful and generous.

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

Also, when did stunts become such an all-conqueringly essential element of Doctor Who? There've always been plenty, yeah, it's adventure, but it ain't V for Vendetta.

...Although if they wanted to give Eleven to Hugo Weaving, I would not say no.

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

"Also, when did stunts become such an all-conqueringly essential element of Doctor Who?"

Probably about the same time that "plot," "continuity" and "traveling to other planets and galaxies" became silly little fripperies to be disregarded at will. :-p I'm not even forty yet and I'm already so damned sick of how modern television all has to be about Pretty Young People doing Pretty Young Things--it's so boring.

"...Although if they wanted to give Eleven to Hugo Weaving, I would not say no."

Hot damn, neither would I. But alas, they've said flat out they're not looking at actors over forty, and creaky aging Hugo is seven years past the sell-by date.

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

they've said flat out they're not looking at actors over forty

WHAT.

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

Ayup. (And all this time, I'd thought that when Stuart from QAF pissed and moaned about life and fun and sex being over after you turn thirty, that the viewer was meant to find that attitude pathetic.)

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

I seriously did not expect to start finding the idea of Patrick Stewart!Doctor palatable, but if he were to be the only chance at a breath of longevity for the entire rest of the series? ENGAGE ME HARDER, CAPTAIN.

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

Er--I didn't mean that like it sounded.

[eido.livejournal.com]

And you are somehow not as hot as Troughton.

Oh my god, the acting. Every time anyone brings up Two, I feel like I have to post this clip from "Evil of the Daleks" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=K4w9OR_stic). It's not only a brilliant display of acting, but the man - with the strength of that performance by itself - makes the Daleks scary and threatening (and one of the few times I've ever found them scary)... and that's early era Who when the villains were made of tin foil. Also, ironically, one of the Doctors closest to Gallifrey (being only the second incarnation) and yet he's a greater humanitarian than I think... just about all of them (most especially Ten).

[elliptic-eye.livejournal.com]

Evil of the Daleks! I have not seen it yet! I want it so badly. *emo tear* Ah, well, soon I'll indulge myself.

and that's early era Who when the villains were made of tin foil.

You know, even before factoring in performances, I think I find tinfoil villains more convincing than CGI villains, even when the CGI is good. It's just always going to be subtly different when the actors have something real, present, and material to interact with. Case in point: Virtually anything would have been better than Gollum!Ten: an indistinct shape in a wad of clothing, and muffled voice issuing from a bag, anything. /random

[eido.livejournal.com]

I still hurts me on a deep and personal level the Master couldn't have - if anything (not heinously embarrassing) - followed through with the status quo of scary fairy tale types of vengeance and trapped Ten in a magic mirror? Threaten him to braid Daughter of Mine's hair for all eternity. I honestly don't care it's been done, a retread would have hurt my soul much less than forced to look at that ridiculous hideous muppet as lead up to Blue Floating Jesus Doctor. Maybe magic-mirror!Ten wouldn't have made BFJesus any less embarrassing to watch, but ... it might have been something.

And now I'm veering off on an LOTTL rant, but I also don't get - since Rusty was going to use the reset anyway - why the Master's missing year couldn't have all been some gigantic global hallucination induced by the Master powered-up by the Archangel Network and the TARDIS?? So instead of a Paradox Machine (which it's disguised as), we'd have gotten a Nightmare Machine. They could have still kept the Master as ludicrously panto as they wanted, but also have gone to "The Mind Robber" or "Celestial Toymaker" levels of headtrip/torture. The Master trapping Ten, Martha, Jack and the Joneses in terrible illusions they'd have little to fight apart from sheer force of will. BUT OH NO!! Fucking GollumBlueFloatingJesus!Doctor, Disco!Master, Jack doing little but be dirty and repeatedly dead, Evil Pokemans straight out of "Phantasm" and Apostle!Martha (one of the few redeeming qualities of that ep, sadly enough) is what we got. Along with ugly racial subtexts and Martha leaving still with no decent acknowledgment from asshole!Doctor!! And I'm stopping the finale rant right now or I never will.