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[retro_eidas]

This actually derives from a post I'd made on nostalgia_lj's journal (the discussion thread here), but the post got ridiculously long so I decided to cut the bulk of it over to my own lj as opposed to flooding Nos with my insanity.

Folks have been discussing since this evening, Lucy Saxon = Rose or Martha, however, I'm leaning towards Lucy being something of both of them. On one side you got the whole journalist's Rose-like description (and, sadly, the sycophantic / My Whole Life Is My Man thing), but then the other you have The Wife Thing. The Wife Thing (symbolisms, subtexts, metaphors etc etc) was never so prominent when Rose was around as it's been this season with Martha as companion. Now unless all that S3 wife subtexts are only supposed to be veiled Rose refs or some shit...? I'm going to say they're refs to Martha (as well as or more prominently due to her being the current companion). Tying to The Wife Thing, you've also got (deadbeat) husbands like Lance and Clive who leave their wives for something perceivedly new, exciting or better. Lance with Empress Racnoss and Clive with Annalise (young, blonde and "can't handle Quiz Mania". Also some have described as a cardboard, younger version of Jackie). The Doctor = Clive (and his "sports car" and blonde fetish). I don't believe Martha is a Francine-clone, but she does have the deadbeat husband thing a bit with the Doctor.

Of course, if I were to say Lucy Saxon is the Master's Rose (and Annalise), then who would his Francine (and Martha) be? The Doctor. The Doctor trying to convince him to work things out marry him (again) and shag around the cosmos like the blissful old days... but like Francine and Clive trying to "work things out", but it's so unbelievable (reflected in Martha's disbelief at Francine trying to say as much over the phone), it's very likely not going to happen (although Clive/Francine seem to be actually conversing without screaming at each other for once in the promo... kind of like the Doctor/Master phonesex before Master went inevitably evil).

Then you've got Martha (and Jack) trying to convince the Doctor to move on cuz it's over but he desperately won't admit it and it's sad that he pines for the impossible cuz he's terrified to be alone again. Ignoring the two (who love him) he has with him for the sake of the one not there or doesn't want to be there. Which is also possibly the root of Francine's bitterness at Clive and Clive's need to runaway to Annalise. Both are midlife crisising (Francine also mentions menopause in TLE), the terror of growing old and alone and raging against it. Francine and Clive raging at each other because both in their own ways remind each other of their aging and loneliness. Clive either became tired of Francine and looked at her reminded this is the woman - who's been calling me "ridiculous" for 25 years - I'm spending the last years of my life with then suddenly decided I Do Not Want (The Master didn't want to follow the Doctor's - or the Time Lords' - morals or rules and constantly being nagged at how bad and evil he was, he escaped to be as evil as he wanted) and Francine is angry and bitter at Clive (despite any feelings she may still have for him) for abandoning her alone believing she has little hope of finding a new mate so late in life (the Doctor doesn't want to lose the Master as he is his last connection to Gallifrey/Time Lords and a means to cure his terrible loneliness. Ironically, the runaway wants commitment now cuz having a taste of truly being alone fiercely sucks and would rather have the Master in his life than no Time Lords at all that and the mad slashy love).

Even more irony considering, between the Doctor & Master and the one who actually seems to be getting any real bliss out of life (even if it's by way of total Evil Overlordyness)? It seems to be the Master. Kind of fitting then the punishment the Master decides to inflict on the Doctor is making physically manifest how the Doctor was likely feeling on the inside (a weak, helpless, old old man). Granted, one shouldn't let all their inhibitions loose. If the Doctor got turned-on like the Master or Lucy Saxon every time he reaked major havoc, death and destruction, the universe would be frakked. I can't imagine the Master's idea of (Evil Overlordy) bliss would make him ultimately happy either, more miserable likely. No matter how much he may want to "save him" love him and vows total devotion to the point of losing oneself in this cause, it's just not going to make him stay. As two people who are so very different just are not going to work in the end, no matter how much one might want it to. A bad, futile habit I think the Doctor may have picked up from Rose combined with the Time War fallout. The Doctor totally unwilling to face any sort of reality in the face of that overwhelming loneliness, guilt and loss he (believes he) can't overcome. However, I'd wonder with the Doctor - like I have with Francine (as I strongly suspect she hasn't even tried to find someone else, either because she still loves Clive or believing she's too old or it's "ridiculous" at her age or something, watching/resenting/being embarrassed at Clive skirt-chasing the much younger Annalise) - they might be happier if they actually went out, let go and cut loose a little. Find your bliss Doctor (and love and love alot) and stop being so fucking emo!! In other words, shag Jack and Martha already!! Shag them hard and long. And admit you love both of them! Otherwise you WILL be that weak, helpless old man alive but not really living.

The problem with the Doctor, however, is he seems to be stubbornly convinced his loneliness will ever only be cured - finds any sort of bliss - if other Time Lords are magically alive (and everyone else that happens to be with him are shiny but ephemeral things that won't last chopped liver pretty much or that's the impression I'm getting lately with how the Doctor has been treating Martha and Jack). Thus why he's so desperate to win the Master back over to his side, but unless something drastic happens in the finale (I'm just not banking on it), I'm thinking he is kidding himself. What will help him find his bliss? Most likely a very new perspective on life. Probably delivered with a big bow or maybe a beatdown by way of Jack and Martha... and, in an inadvertant way, the Master (as Christ wasn't going to heaven unless he was betrayed by Judas and crucified. Buddha wasn't going to find enlightenment unless he swore to an ascetic's life of squallor and poverty. Enlightenment by way of suffering, a trial by fire ["Burn with me"], whatever you want to call it. The Doctor's eyes probably won't be opened until after he's been tortured to the brink by the Master).

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Not having anything to do with the above, but I wonder if Lucy Saxon may be the "girl" who ends up killing the Master (foreshadowed in Chantho killing him, his other "loyal companion"). At least killing this current incarnation, anyway (as Lucy may not know about the regeneration thing). I'd guess because I could see her own ambition winning out over any feelings she may have for him (I got the impression she may have all this untapped ambition waiting to come forth from being all too easily tempted by the journalist's story pitch -- highlighting her as the power behind the throne as opposed to her husband and also maybe tired of living in the shadow of powerful men, first her father and then her husband. Thinking her some pretty - but witless - bobble to show-off. A trophy). Think of the exchange between Lady Thaw and Lazarus in TLE.... "Did that transformation make you even more cruel?" "No, I learned that from you, my love." So Saxon as Lazarus... or is Lucy the Lazarus? Lucy is the closest to him, possibly his most trusted minion with him likely (and arrogantly) believing he has absolute control over her... until she stabs him in the back, that is. Which certainly would be quite awesome and oh the poetic justice for the Master, killed by his own arrogance in his belief of his power over others (and not knowing the extent of his wife's ambition or hunger for power... or he did but disregarded it or thought he could use it to his advantage, until it blew up in his face). This Lucy As Judas theory possibly also akin to Francine - allbeit, unknowingly in her case and in attempt to protect her daughter - screwing over the Doctor to the (unbeknownst) true villain. This would also follow suit to a (rather ugly) habit of Rusty's this season of evil & powerful womenz (Empress Racnoss, the Plasmavore, Capt. Kath scooping the sun's heart out, Sally Calypso keeping the gridlocked motorists in false delusions of escape to the surface, Lilith & the Carrionites and not a single male Weeping Angel. I'd put Joan in this role but in a very unintendingly dangerous sort of way en par to the Woman In The Red Dress in "The Matrix"... the one who so tragically tempted John Smith, aka the Doctor, to stay within this false, illusory, allbeit unlonely/happier/dreamlike/human, life)... all leading up to Lucy? The power behind the throne and the snake in the grass.

How does Martha save the world? By taking out Lucy (maybe by getting the Toclafane to turn on Lucy when she can't control them)? And suddenly I'm envisioning Lois Lane punching the hell out of Ursa at the end of Superman 2. Heh.

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[juanitadark.livejournal.com]

If you check the preview, when the Master points his laser/Lazarus thingy at the Doctor again, there's a female figure behind him/them in a red dress. Everyone's surmised that it's Lucy, though we could be wrong (but I doubt it).

I'm not a Lucy fan. I think she's exactly the kind of person who comes across as a harmless possible victim while actually colluding with the evil and causing A LOT of damage. I find her rather disturbing, actually.

[eido.livejournal.com]

If you check the preview, when the Master points his laser/Lazarus thingy at the Doctor again, there's a female figure behind him/them in a red dress. Everyone's surmised that it's Lucy, though we could be wrong (but I doubt it).

Rewatched, that has to be Lucy. There's no one else it could be unless the dress code for Saxon's security is just that bizarre (and it's certainly not Martha, Tish or Francine).

I'm not a Lucy fan. I think she's exactly the kind of person who comes across as a harmless possible victim while actually colluding with the evil and causing A LOT of damage. I find her rather disturbing, actually.

Would never want to have tea with someone like that (either so tragically dim & sycophantic or the insane, two-faced hellion she could be), but she could make for one helluva villainess. Probably give the Racnoss, Plasmavore and the whole lot of the Carrionites a run for their money. I'd bet she tries to seduce the Doctor too (a la Lilith), promising him power & glory and all that jazz if he plays her slave of alien knowledge (knowledge is power, after all). He, of course, won't be having any of it, then she goes on where hubby left off in the torture... leaving it up to Martha to beat her ass. *insert massive cheering here*

[stoplookingup.livejournal.com]

On the whole red dress thing -- in keeping with the master=antichrist and Lucy Saxon=Whore of Babylon theme -- the Whore of Babylon is associated with crimson:

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication

Mmm...mmm...good.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Which I'd bet is also why "The Matrix" people used a red dress.

You've even got the Master quoting scripture (Adam from Genesis iirc?) and at the same time playing the Serpent. Of course (and I don't know why I'm being shippy here, call it an unconscious reaction), if Saxon/Lucy are Antichrist/Whore of Babylon, would that make the Doctor/Martha the true Adam/Eve or Christ/Sophia who will restore utopia?

[juanitadark.livejournal.com]

New picture up at the Beeb:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/s3_12-13gallery/800/29.jpg

Ringlets?! I think the case rests.