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'But then I remember they have no monies and they can't do that. *sighs*'
So true. Ben Edlund has said that season six will probably have the reset button pushed in a lot of ways (his words) and will probably go back to being a bunch of stand alone episodes. What was the point of the Apocalypse again? I just hope Cas is in season six.

Edit: 'Dark confession time: So, season 6 is confirmed. I sort of want 5x22 to be SPN's equivalent of "Dr. Strangelove" and Lucifer drops the bombs (or unleashes Croatoan or whatever) before any possible kicking of the bucket. Then every other episode, at least the second half of S6, is pretty much like "The End". Except maybe not quite as bad. Dean isn't some cold, apathetic hard-ass. Sam's still Sam and around. Cas isn't some tragic over-sexed and over-doped Last Man. Dean doesn't strip the Impala, etc.'
Now that would be great :D

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IDEFK what the point was if they're just going to pretend it didn't happen or worse, Dallas it all. *cringes* Some have been speculating a big reset button pushed in 5x22 and we're back at the end of S3. Worst. idea. ever.

Part of me is hoping Edlund means a post-apocalyptic story. That Lucifer and Michael battle royale, thus the Apocalypse, is done, but leaves shambles in it's wake for Dean, Sam and Cas to clean-up. The angels - possibly chastened so much by Suddenly Appeared Daddy - run off in shame and don't come back. However, in a very John-like move, Dad doesn't bother lifting a finger in the clean-up and expects his hard-done-by kids to keep on being hard-done-by while he swans off to take Jesus to a baseball game or something.

ETA. I love the idea because it seems like a believable - yet not hopeless - one where the boys could finally manage to someday put their guns to the ground. True, it's partly them having no choice if they simply have no means of conveyance or have to use it sparingly, but someday I think they'd have to learn to just stop. Namely with Dean, I think there is a part of him meant to be a leader, things just went pear-shaped in "The End".

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'Some have been speculating a big reset button pushed in 5x22 and we're back at the end of S3. Worst. idea. ever.'
I've heard that too. I know some people would be happy if season six was like season one (just Sam and Dean hunting monsters every week), but I wouldn't be one of them.

'IDEFK what the point was if they're just going to pretend it didn't happen or worse, Dallas it all. *cringes*'
I think that would qualify as not only jumping the shark but jumping the dolphin too. *has Dallas flashback and shudders*

'Part of me is hoping Edlund means a post-apocalyptic story.'
Oh there's an idea.

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I know some people would be happy if season six was like season one (just Sam and Dean hunting monsters every week), but I wouldn't be one of them.

Neither would I. To sit through all those seasons of Winchester angst and being told their relationship is unhealthy as is, to suddenly things back as they were in S1/S2 as if the latter seasons never happened? For them to suddenly deus ex machina their problems away? The angst can get tedious, but I want the story to continue on organically based on what came before it. A massive retcon just isn't my idea of good tv.

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'Neither would I. To sit through all those seasons of Winchester angst and being told their relationship is unhealthy as is, to suddenly things back as they were in S1/S2 as if the latter seasons never happened? For them to suddenly deus ex machina their problems away? The angst can get tedious, but I want the story to continue on organically based on what came before it. A massive retcon just isn't my idea of good tv.'
So true. Although the people who want Season One Sam and Dean seem to be the people who don't realize how messed up and co-dependent Sam and Dean's relationship is; I heard one person say that if it does go back to Season One they're be happy because than Supernatural will be angst free. I guess they really are watching a different show than I am.

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Yeah, they're way too focused on practical joke Dean-Sam, puppy dog eyed, emo hair Sammy and Dean clucking around him like a mother hen and forget how often they were crying even back then. The rel'p between the bros, though understandably not as bad as it is now, wasn't some picnic either. We see those co-dependency issues in S1. IIRC, the end of S1 is also when Dean first started noticing Sam's likeness to John (came to a head in S4's JtS) and one of the primary things in latter seasons that often bring Dean and Sam to loggerheads. Sam and John themselves point out how much they have in common in "Salvation", I think.

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'We see those co-dependency issues in S1. IIRC, the end of S1 is also when Dean first started noticing Sam's likeness to John (came to a head in S4's JtS) and one of the primary things in latter seasons that often bring Dean and Sam to loggerheads. Sam and John themselves point out how much they have in common in "Salvation", I think.'
True, but some people will always see Sam as the woobiest woobie who ever woobied.

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Aww. I would definitely watch that. And given how many 'The End' AUs I read, I'm certain there would quite a few people on board with that too. It would certainly be the start of a new chapter in the story, as has been described by some of the writers.

That would be a monumental shake-up, though, and I don't know that the CW would give them leave to shake up a "winning formula". Also, I don't really think you could do just one season of that and, as much as I love the show, I kind of don't want it dragging on forever like Smallville. Even with big twists thing are bound to get stale. Or, worse, the writers will start relying on those twists for drama's sake and you end up with Lost.

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It would certainly be the start of a new chapter in the story, as has been described by some of the writers.

Post-apoc stories, the ones that aren't frightfully hopeless that is (a la "The End"), usually are start of an all new chapter. Literally, the whole world is tabula rasa and Dean, Sam and Cas and a few others are the only ones that really know what's happened. It would be epic.

Also, I don't really think you could do just one season of that

Probably not. I'm still annoyed "Jericho" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_%28TV_series%29) got canceled after only 1 1/2 seasons.

I guess I'm lingering on the idea because that image of dream!Dean fishing ("The Rapture") sticks with me. It was like this brief little moment of Aldous Huxley's Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_%28novel%29) (the closest I could believe of a functioning utopia with some hope at longevity). I suppose a part of me wants Dean to have that fishing someday and ironic that Camp Chautauqua was basically the Island in a technical sense (removed from society, no electricity, living off the land for survival, etc), but it was in a world falling apart. A dystopia, not at all a utopia, because there's no way they could keep the darkness out. It permeated and wounded everyone in that camp, most especially in it's leaders, Dean and Castiel.

But yeah, I wouldn't want the show to drag on either, but I guess I'd look at it like one of the more hopeful post-apocalyptic movies or books, just drawn out for 22 eps. There's a beginning, middle and end, but the end leaves hope for the future even if it's a future we'll probably never see. Sort of like at the end of Alas, Babylon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas_Babylon). Things weren't the way they were before the bombs dropped and probably never would be. However, the book still ends hopefully for the unknown future. Ditto Children of Men, though that story was a more depressing one overall.

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I would watch the fuck out of that season, JSYK. I've personally been advocating for a post-apocalyptic road trip (with bonus! God/grace/angel hunt for Cas) in season 6. I was a fan of Jericho, despite the sometimes cheesiness, so I'd love to see the Winchesters leading the way in a destroyed America/world. I do worry about budgetary matters limiting what they'll do, but I hope they don't let budget limit their imaginations too much. The world needs to be seriously fucked up after an apocalypse . . . which means the final 8 eps of this season need to be world-destroying ones!

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I've personally been advocating for a post-apocalyptic road trip (with bonus! God/grace/angel hunt for Cas) in season 6.

Hells yeah! Bring on the Winchesters+Cas get dropped in the middle of supernatural Road Warrior, I say!

I do worry about budgetary matters limiting what they'll do, but I hope they don't let budget limit their imaginations too much.

Shit, if we do get post-apocalyptic s6 then they're going to have to get creative. They just never seem to have enough monies to do anything as epic as they could be doing, they're relying on their imaginations more often then not. Which can be hit & miss based on how Armageddon has been going so far. Tamest. Apocalypse. Ever.

The world needs to be seriously fucked up after an apocalypse . . . which means the final 8 eps of this season need to be world-destroying ones!

That seriously would be very SPN. Dean and Sam manage to keep saying no and never become vessels, they stop (or kill) Lucifer and Michael, but not before the world still gets mightily fucked up anyway. Perhaps not as bad as it could have been, but still pretty bad.

I don't know, but this season has felt like they've let Godzilla and Mothra out of their subterranean hidey holes, but then don't actually bother to have them fight. You watch a Godzilla movie, you kind of want to see Tokyo destroyed. You're expecting it. I'm sitting here, still waiting for Tokyo to get destroyed.

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What. I'm sorry, what the fuck. Is that a JERICHO icon I see???? I thought other Jericho fans were more elusive than unicorns -- since you're the first one I've seen in years.

HELLLLLLOOOOOOO!!!

So you get *exactly* what I'm talking about. I'm talking about national news posted on a former water tower post-apocalypse. Playing street hockey with cell phones, bathing by candlelight, food rationing, Mad Maxian, Postmanian, Cormac McCarthian -- hell even Waterworldian -- epically screwed up world. With demons/angels/monsters running around to further complicate things.

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I thought other Jericho fans were more elusive than unicorns -- since you're the first one I've seen in years.

Dude. I frickin cried when Papa Green died.

Also, I have at least one other "Jericho" fan on my flist hiding around somewhere. lol

So you get *exactly* what I'm talking about. I'm talking about national news posted on a former water tower post-apocalypse. Playing street hockey with cell phones, bathing by candlelight, food rationing, Mad Maxian, Postmanian, Cormac McCarthian -- hell even Waterworldian -- epically screwed up world. With demons/angels/monsters running around to further complicate things.

I speak your language. XD Throw in a corrupt, bureaucratic gov't-nee-dictatorship ultimately ineffectual in trying to stave off rebellion and/or the supernatural forces it's facing. Also maybe some hot ~~Dean/Cas~~ bunker sexin.

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This has a Supernatural: The Movie kind of feel to me. I have no clue why since it would work so much better in episodes instead of a two hour compressed story.

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The apocalypse and post-apocalypse is always en vogue in movie form, maybe that's why?

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Yes, thank you. Sometimes I fail to understand myself. :)

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Supernatural would make one bad ass post-apocalyptic movie though. I just think SPN would be so suited to the gritty, survival-of-the-fittest type motife a la "Mad Max" or "Road Warrior" with the monster-hunting. Movies could use a good post-apoc story too. "Legion" just... isn't going to cut it. Though everybody seems to be into gods (Greek and Norse, specifically) of late (and I'm guessing that could explain 5.19). There are like a million of those movies coming out.

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Did you watch Legion? My friend who just got into SPN went to see it, she really hated it. I think it's because she was comparing the two from the get go.

Not going to lie I love remakes, revamps whatever they're called. Reimagining a world but with the same characters always gets me super excited and seeing a SPN movie with Jense, Jared and Misha would send me into a tizzy. I'm so easily pleased...but can you imagine the leaps money invested? The wide pans, locations and sets would make me so happy. Greek mythology loves to come and go, now that you have me thinking about it I can see it is coming up quite a bit though not much as vampires and angels are.

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I was comparing, but honestly, Legion would have been ass without the comparison.

For all intents, an SPN movie starring Jensen, Jared and Misha should be epic, but I'd be too scared McG would want to direct it himself.

Though speaking of Greek myth, you can fit it into SPN pretty well, if only all metaphoric. Perseus+Pegasus = Castiel, Andromeda about to get devoured by Cetus = Dean in Hell. ;) That might explain the marriage subtext between Dean and Cas too (Perseus married Andromeda after he saved her). LOL

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Aww sucks! I was totally hyped for it too, oh well I saved 10 dollars I guess.

Hmm well that would be...a different take I suppose.

There is always an explanation for the Dean/Castiel though really its not needed their love is epic and everyone knows it. Except for the people who refuse to see it. But seriously ok now I want to see this in fic format. It sounds awesome!

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