spn - 5.06 - i believe that children are our future

[retro_eidas]

This is going to be totally rambly and probably forgetting things since I haven't rewatched yet, but initial impressions....

• "God help me, I couldn't do it." As in, Mary 2.0 couldn't kill her Antichrist demonspawn baby. Although that line was interesting. Clue that God Himself doesn't want that kid to die? He wouldn't I suppose, if the kid does have a choice / can do good in the world or at least have a use that doesn't destroy the universe... or that is God's intent and our intrepid heroes got to take down God? IDK
  
  
• Mary 2.0 was played by the actress who played Sheriff Carter's pregnant sister from "Eureka". I suppose she likes playing pregnant chicks?
  
  
• I can't say I'd be crying too hard at the possibility the kid might waste all the heavenly hosts considering, sorry Cas, most of Castiel's brothers we've seen are TOTAL APOCALYPSE-STARTING ASSHOLES. Maybe we might meet some redeemable yet, but that remains to be frickin' seen.
  
  
• Although that also obviously means Cas better get to the Falling and get adopted married into the Winchester clan, toute suite.
  
  
• That kid who played Jesse was awesome. One of the better guest actors they've had. Also seems pretty obvious he was named after Jesse Custer. Time of the (antichrist) Preacher, folks.
  
  
• This ep felt WAY more like classic Dean-Sam than last week's labored attempts.
  
  
• I didn't really have a problem with Castiel getting in Sam's grill like that (nope, still haven't forgotten S4, Sammy). However, since Sam was clearly being portrayed as the compassionate, understanding Voice of Reason in the ep and Cas the dbag angel hard ass, the more I think they really are keeping the reveal of Cas letting Sam out of the panic room (and helping capture Anna) in their back pockets, waiting to spring that on the boys. Of course, only after they've all made nice and are comfortable and probably had some decisive victory in making Zachariah's life hell. Also bet *anything* it's going to be Zachariah who spills the beans too. To get back at Cas and break-up his alliance with the boys.
  
  
• Did anyone else think John vs Sam during the Castiel vs Sam? Dean was caught in the middle of both, trying to play peacemaker.
  
  
• Batshit Dean/Cas shipper as I am, my mind totally interpreted pissy!Cas as him angry at Sam for how he treated Dean last season. Shippiness aside, I could actually see Cas being overprotective of Dean, which would sort of make him more of an anti-John than John stand-in (and yeah, the less this Dean/Cas shipper thinks of Cas=John in any way THE BETTER!! *cringes*).

Comments

[amaresu]

Except now he's basically got to share Dean, which has NEVER happened before.

Which is just gotta be jarring for Sam. Even just walking in on that phone call in Fallen Idols seemed to shake him. Before he heard what was being said, but that Dean was talking and joking with someone else at all. I'm guessing Dean didn't try to get his own life when Sam went off to Stanford, so with Dean putting together a life separate from Sam during the most recent parting of ways it says all sorts of things. Good, healthy things about finding other reasons to live, but not things Sam's gonna want to hear.

Sam has always been selfish, it's one of his defining traits and I love him anyways, but he's selfish. It's always about what he wants and the moral of S4 could've been 'Stop thinking about your own selfish desires for revenge' if Sam had been paying attention. I think a lot of S5 is going to be about Sam learning to let go and not be John.

Also I'd like, if Sam remotely has this belief, to realize that Castiel is no Ruby.

This has got to be a thought of his, even unconsciously, that Castiel will betray Dean the same way Ruby betrayed him. The similarities in the relationship are obvious and I think they were planned out that way. Sooner or later Sam and Cas are going to have to spend more then five minutes together and it'll be epic. I'm doubting either of them will be able to keep it to themselves. Hopefully they'll come out stronger from it, but it'll be interesting to see.

[eido.livejournal.com]

so with Dean putting together a life separate from Sam during the most recent parting of ways it says all sorts of things. Good, healthy things about finding other reasons to live, but not things Sam's gonna want to hear.

It would be an interesting struggle. Sam wanting to be glad Dean's found a friend, even if it's Castiel, but another part of him afraid or paranoid about the state of his relationship with Dean or fear what Dean's attachment to an angel could do to Dean in the long run. Like we were discussing above, Sam fearing that Cas might have some alterior motive in getting close to Dean.

I think a lot of S5 is going to be about Sam learning to let go and not be John.

At the end of 5.06, you really can't help but think, "Only if John could have let his desire for revenge and curiosity about the nature of Mary's death go, even for a few years or at least secured a safe home for the boys in the meantime..." the boys lives might have been really, really different. Unfortunately, they still inevitably seem to play the role of Azazel or John and forced Jesse into the life because - I suppose like with John's decision about bringing Sam and Dean with him - it was the only option he could be absolutely certain they'd be safe.

This has got to be a thought of his, even unconsciously, that Castiel will betray Dean the same way Ruby betrayed him. The similarities in the relationship are obvious and I think they were planned out that way.

Like you said earlier too, Sam doesn't trust the angels. Whose to say how long Sam would keep seeing Castiel apart from them or if Cas - maybe after a few more confrontations like the one in 5.06 - might get more suspicious in Sam's eyes, even if those suspicions are mostly unfounded.

[amaresu]

I think Sam and Castiel are going to have to spend more then five minutes together before they get anywhere near resolving their issues. And there seem to be just as many issues on Cas's side of things.

I'm thinking as far as Sam's concerned he's only tolerating Castiel because of Dean and I'm thinking it's the other way around for Cas. They don't like each other and it's a bit hilarious.

[eido.livejournal.com]

There really is a glaring difference with how Cas is with Dean as compared to how he is with Sam. Obviously lately it's painfully noticeable. Maybe I could be overstating things after we see more Sam and Cas interaction, but something tells me I'm not.

It is pretty hilarious, how they're likely only tolerating each other for Dean's sake. lol Dean didn't much care for Ruby either, the obvious difference is Castiel is no Ruby. He's actually worthy of friendship. Which is something else I'm wondering will stick in Sam's craw. Why'd he end up with Ruby, while Dean got Castiel?

[amaresu]

Maybe I could be overstating things after we see more Sam and Cas interaction, but something tells me I'm not.

I don't think you are. Cas really doesn't seem to like Sam and he treats him like that. Probably because he hasn't figured out that when you don't like someone you often need to pretend that you do, but it's clear he doesn't like him.

I can't wait for the epic fight between the two of them. I hope Ruby gets thrown around. Although Dean would be the most likely to use Ruby in a fight, so maybe we'll get a three-way fight?