thoughts on SV & SPN

[retro_eidas]

• Kind of sad, but I called that being fake Chloe almost from the beginning. If for any reason she couldn't have possibly outrun Doomsday if he did turn on her. Superspeed and all that.
  
  
• Although I am suspicious the reason Clark didn't recognize her right away is because this Chloe - although the experience she described was traumatic - was telling him the version of the Chloe/Davis story he'd rather hear. That Chloe doesn't care for Davis like the denials he was clinging to last week, that she really wanted him dead. Which boy scout Clark was actually willing to go along with, right up until his conscience caught up with him.
  
  
• Ollie is hot when he's being all Green Arrowy and cunning, too bad he's such a dick this season. I almost feel sorry for the bastard though, he spent 10 billion dollars and his girl is cheating on him with a magic purple disco ball.
  
  
• Dr. Gaeta is such a Chlavis shipper, but then as is everyone else... apparently apart from Chloe.
  
  
• Although I love how all these people keep telling Clark that "Chloe may not realize how much she loves Davis", I'd wonder if Clark may really believe it too now (not just from what everyone is telling him and what Chloe's done, but watching her firsthand crying for him in "Eternal"). That apart from his conscience (that speaks in Chloe's voice), he realizes just how hurt Chloe would really be if he did kill Davis. Even if she herself would be in denial of it. That You Can't Do That On Television death scene in "Eternal" says a lot more than Chloe was or is willing to admit.
  
  
• Black Kryptonite. That does get my hopes up, but I'd bet dollars to donuts something goes terribly, terribly wrong. I do have my theories, but there's no telling how that would work on Dooms.
  
  
• Ollie actually confessed to killing Lex. Clark is so breaking up with him, but I'd wonder who gets the keys to the JL pad? Ollie has been pretty much funding the whole outfit, he going to keep chipping in for alimony even after the divorce?
  
  
• Tess is such a creepy zealot. She'd believe anything - even glowy magic purple disco balls - if they promised her sainthood. She's the "savior of Kandor"?
  
  
• Zod is going to be so pissed when he finds out his son has shacked up with a puny earthling. Although this just proves Chloe sexin' Davis will indeed save the world AND foil an evil overlord's plans. What a true heroine she is. ;)

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• Bobby is still alive YAY!!!
  
  
• Cas is still in there somewhere, but "he can't." Well, why not? I'm relatively confident he will before the season is finally over, but he's killing me (and Dean it seems, "You're such a dick lately." See!! He's noticed Cas has lost that lovin feeling!) in the interim.
  
  
• Dean also reminded us of whatever it was Cas was planning to tell him last week, but couldn't/was prevented. I'm certain we'll find out what that was next week, but the angels most definitely didn't want Dean knowing about it. At least before they felt ready to tell him.
  
  
• I don't think Cas actually called Anna to him, but she just showed up to scold him... not realizing Cas had 24/7 surveillance following him around.
  
  
• However, Cas letting Sam go? Didn't see that one coming, although it makes sense. It's been hinted at for awhile Sam will indeed have a vital role to play in all this mess before the end and the angels know it. I'm also betting it was angels (possibly Cas himself, via "orders") that were sending Sam those hallucinations and the "fits", not the demon blood. Sam was jonzing pretty hard last week, but I don't remember him seeing any hallucinations at all and there were definitely no flinging across the wall by unseen forces.
  
  
• Big w00bie junkie Sam broke my heart in this ep. Good job from JPad there, I'm not at all reserved to give him his due. The scene with mommy? Who or whatever created those hallucinations (*cough*angels*cough*) knew where and how to hit him where it would hurt. The Dean hallucination, of course, being the hardest blow and saved for last, also disturbingly and purposely set-up to drive a deeper wedge between Sam and Dean.
  
  
• Not that it really needs saying either, but what the angels have planned? Can't possibly be any good and Tessa's words will indeed prove prophetic. It wouldn't shock me there is no screwing of pooches either, they're letting the seals break on purpose.
  
  
• That fight wasn't as brutal as I was expecting, but it was bad enough. Dean echoing John's words to Sam right at the end there. *sighs* It's also the first time Sam has struck Dean first and beat him in hand-to-hand.
  
  
• Perhaps this is just how my (faulty) brain works, but the more they tell-nee-scream at us "SAM IS A MONSTER!!!" the less I'm inclined to believe it and in fact more inclined to believe it will be Dean. Considering Dean has just made himself the angels' bitch and the angels are so far from trustworthy it ain't funny? Yeah, Dean's totally going to be the monster at the end of this season. I also think that's what Cas was intending to tell Dean before he was so rudely interrupted by heavenly Gitmo or whatever the hell happened to him.

Now excuse me while I try and fail to get that Zepp song out of my head.

Comments

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Mmm. I hope you're right. It would be EPIC FAIL if they really are that anvilicious. BLAH BLAH SAM IS EVIL BLAH BLAH BLAH - I'd love it if the whole point was to get to Dean instead. Dark!Dean is hot, he needs to do that more often.

[eido.livejournal.com]

It's not even anvil-clanging anymore, it's like someone is banging on the EVIL SAM IS EVIL warhead and it goes off every ep. Only for it to be remade anew in the next ep to start clanging again. Again, all it makes me think is "Distraction!!" Not that I think Sam isn't going darkside to a degree, because I think he is, but the stuff about Dean this season? Has been scaring me a lot more, especially his proximity to angels (barring Cas, but even he's proven very fallible / back to towing the company line) and how they're practically being coded as evil. To the point I'd put money down and forget demons, angels are going to be next season's big bads.

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Indeed. I would think Kripke would be more original than that. They've been throwing it around for the past season and more. I would love it if Dean going dark is what it takes for Sam to stop, and see that it was Sam himself that led him to that.

Heh, I'm reminded of this little drabble: http://tigriswolf.livejournal.com/338166.html
I love the idea. It's so delicious to contemplate.

[eido.livejournal.com]

I would think Kripke would be more original than that.

Or remotely surprising. Who on the whole damn planet would be honestly shocked at Sam going darkside? It's not even like Dean would be out of the blue as he'd been suggesting it all season, but since Sam is sucking demon blood and Sam is "a whole new level of freak", we're not intended to look at Dean too hard. Despite the fact he came back from Hell and all the other hints along the way Dean just ain't right. But by all means Krip, let Sam go darkside. I'll be over here asleep.

However, I'd say there's not a 100% guarantee Dean would go dark necessarily either. Not that whatever might happen to him would be remotely pleasant for him or those in the immediate vicinity, but ... whatever will happen to Dean is going to happen and we'd also need the brothers around for at least one more season. Dean has to stay relatively Dean somehow.

Heh, I'm reminded of this little drabble: http://tigriswolf.livejournal.com/338166.html
I love the idea. It's so delicious to contemplate.

It is! Awesome drabble btw, I can always count on you to propagate my madness with fic! XD

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Exactly! They kinda *had* to send Dean to Hell, but after he came back, they could really develop the character in interesting ways. The only people surprised at evil!Sam would be the fans who thought Kripke knew better and would do something more awesome. It would quickly turn to disappointment, and then a lot of fans would quit the show.

Hav I recced you this one yet? http://tigriswolf.livejournal.com/334343.html
Just as cool. I want Dean to succeed not in spite of Hell, but BECAUSE of it.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Not to mention that, seriously, if there was a drinking game this season where you took a shot every time Sam said Dean was "weak", "not strong enough" or it all surely must fall on his gargantuan shoulders? You'd be having hallucinations that put Sammy's to shame. Pride goeth before the fall and all that, but anything happening to Sam himself wouldn't really move him. The one thing that still could hurt Sam more than anything is if something happens to his brother. Still telling that the one hallucination that troubled Sam the most was when it appeared Dean was rejecting him and calling him a monster. Oh Sammy, you want and need to keep Dean around so much more than you know.

Also an excellent rec. Although at this point, if Cas doesn't tell heaven to stuff it soon, I just don't know how Dean and Sam are going to make it as I just don't see them able to fix things on their own. Obviously they must somehow, but they're going to be needing some serious help.

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Oh yah, you'd be smashed outta your head after 2-3 episodes.

I'd feel a cruel joy to see Sam lose Dean to the angels or whatever, and know that it was Sam himself that led him to that. Which might be before or after Sam breaks the last seal. And then Sam would cry and despair, and I'd laugh and laugh and think he deserves it. It's mean of me, but I think that's the only thing that'll snap Sam out of it (barring magical purification by angel blood or something).

[eido.livejournal.com]

Time for Sam finally owning up to his mistakes and his culpability in the friction between the bros is long overdue. I've had just about as much as I can stand with the whole Dean is "weak" and "not strong enough" business. Although it's ironic considering Dean in turn is calling Sam a "monster"... when I think they've got it backwards, but neither can see it coming.

[julorean.livejournal.com]

Indeed.

Oh, and I have another fic for you! :) I wrote it earlier today.
http://julorean.livejournal.com/44092.html

[morwen_peredhil]

the reason Clark didn't recognize her right away is because this Chloe...was telling him the version of the Chloe/Davis story he'd rather hear

Yes. This.

Plus fake!Chloe's hint about possible rapiness, which would be Clark's worst fear rather than his hope, but which would have put the kibosh on any romantic feelings she might have felt for Davis.

And despite all of her suspiciously non-Chloe-like behavior, he clung to his denial right up until the very second the shapechanger died and lost Chloe's shape (which is partly because he's being written as an idiot, but still).

death scene in "Eternal" says a lot more than Chloe was or is willing to admit

Seems clear enough to me, but Clark apparently needs a huge neon sign that says CHLOE LOVES YOU BOTH AND IT WILL KILL HER IF YOU KILL EACH OTHER.

[eido.livejournal.com]

Plus fake!Chloe's hint about possible rapiness, which would be Clark's worst fear rather than his hope, but which would have put the kibosh on any romantic feelings she might have felt for Davis.

Clark's fears and worry over her aside, the whole thing also struck me as incredibly condescending, the Must Save Tiny Blonde From Herself trait permeating in Clark and Oliver this season. Clark was all too willing to accept poor damsel-in-distress, sobbing Chloe into his arms... only for his bubble to be burst on Chloe really not running from Davis in tears and terror. As had she done it would have proven him right about the ne'er-do-well truly was in it only intending to defile her virtue (and/or get at him through those he loves, as it is always all about him, his guilt and manpain). The shapeshifter nailed it with the thing that would most easily influence Clark. I was almost sorry to see her go. She was like the embodiment of Clark's Neanderthal behavior.

Although, obviously Chloe had to run away with Davis and far far away from Clark so he wouldn't hear all the loud, screaming throes of ecstasy (and not once where "Clark!" is heard at any point in time). As apparently and understandably this was no problem at all with Chimmy.

And despite all of her suspiciously non-Chloe-like behavior, he clung to his denial right up until the very second the shapechanger died

Even despite the fact his conscience was calling him a douche and he acknowledged it spoke in Chloe's voice, yet this Chloe right in front of him is telling him the exact opposite. Come on, BDA!!

Seems clear enough to me, but Clark apparently needs a huge neon sign that says CHLOE LOVES YOU BOTH AND IT WILL KILL HER IF YOU KILL EACH OTHER.

I think he's finally starting to get that with at least trying the black k option. In fairness, I suppose I can't be too hard on Clark when Chloe herself is refusing to face the glaring truth everyone but herself is apparently figuring out, but still. I hope she figures it out in time to at least give Zod a hernia.

[morwen_peredhil]

Must Save Tiny Blonde From Herself trait permeating in Clark and Oliver this season

So much hate for this. On a better show, I'd think we were meant to see that The Big Strong Men are wrong, but this is SV.

The shapeshifter nailed it with the thing that would most easily influence Clark.

Yeah, that girl was good. Normally I'd say that she should have pretended to be reluctantly but firmly resigned to the idea of Davis's death, but since being that OOC for Chloe didn't spoil the act for Clark — and quite possibly did the opposite — I salute her.

can't be too hard on Clark when Chloe herself is refusing to face the glaring truth everyone but herself is apparently figuring out

I will always love Dr. Gaeta for shipping Chloe/Davis. He seemed kind of gleeful to be bursting Clark's bubble of delusion — or at least trying to. Now someone just needs to burst Chloe's bubble of denial...

[eido.livejournal.com]

So much hate for this. On a better show, I'd think we were meant to see that The Big Strong Men are wrong, but this is SV.

*sighs* I know you're right, but I'm clinging harder to denial than Clark at the moment, so I'm stupidly hoping both Clark and Oliver will get bitchslapped about that before the season is over.

However, the fact Tess would be a Magnificent Bitch if it weren't for her apparently worshiping and being manipulated by a magic glowing ball with disembodied godly male voice? It does put a damper on any futile hope my feminism being spared or (LOL!) vindicated in the finale.

since being that OOC for Chloe didn't spoil the act for Clark — and quite possibly did the opposite — I salute her.

She went for broke and he hadn't been remotely suspicious. How easily he can hear Chloe when she's crying for his help, but not so much when she and others are telling him she's done what she's done for him and Davis.

I will always love Dr. Gaeta for shipping Chloe/Davis. He seemed kind of gleeful to be bursting Clark's bubble of delusion — or at least trying to.

One of the few moments I liked Ollie last week was when he was pretty much doing the same. Although probably just like with Chloe...

Now someone just needs to burst Chloe's bubble of denial.

I'm sure Davis dying horribly will probably be enough to break through those ironclad, 2-ft thick walls of denial. *sighs*

[madluv4mickbeth.livejournal.com]

but Clark apparently needs a huge neon sign that says CHLOE LOVES YOU BOTH AND IT WILL KILL HER IF YOU KILL EACH OTHER.
YES HE DOES... :P

[vagrantdream.livejournal.com]

Although I am suspicious the reason Clark didn't recognize her right away is because this Chloe - although the experience she described was traumatic - was telling him the version of the Chloe/Davis story he'd rather hear. That Chloe doesn't care for Davis like the denials he was clinging to last week, that she really wanted him dead. Which boy scout Clark was actually willing to go along with, right up until his conscience caught up with him.
That is spot on. The idea that Davis couldn't care for Chloe in the right way was Clark's comfort zone, being the only person in her life and totally dropping his no kill thing. bbah!
Also, the things that fake!chloe said (motel-he wouldn't let me leave) seems an awful lot like tess's 'woobie' story. the implication of rape, whatnot. I think tess might have told eva to say something like that. It always works on Clark.

I almost feel sorry for the bastard though, he spent 10 billion dollars and his girl is cheating on him with a magic purple disco ball.
this. I had a giggle explosion with this.

The eternal scene. that Eternal scene. *points*

Zod is going to be so pissed when he finds out his son has shacked up with a puny earthling. Although this just proves Chloe sexin' Davis will indeed save the world AND foil an evil overlord's plans. What a true heroine she is. ;)
heee. shacked up. heee! for saving the world.

I'd love that --driving zod INSAANNNEEE. :D

[eido.livejournal.com]

The idea that Davis couldn't care for Chloe in the right way was Clark's comfort zone, being the only person in her life and totally dropping his no kill thing. bbah!

It's interesting too that - apart from Chloe dying - the one thing that would have very nearly dropped Clark's No Killing rule is the allusions of Chloe being taken advantage of sexually by Davis. Certainly he'd be influenced by Chloe's trauma and her being hurt in such a way and this could be just all the "beast" talk, but it almost does strike me as territorial too. Clark the Alpha and someone moving in on his pride, that would explain the Neanderthal reaction of being so very susceptible to damsel-in-distress Chloe's tears and this particular sort of trauma.

Also, the things that fake!chloe said (motel-he wouldn't let me leave) seems an awful lot like tess's 'woobie' story. the implication of rape, whatnot. I think tess might have told eva to say something like that. It always works on Clark.

I forgot about that, Tess had him wrapped around her little finger. Damn the writers for making her a zealot of a glowing purple ball!! She's such a Magnificent Bitch otherwise.

The eternal scene. that Eternal scene. *points*

Which still makes me think Davis is going to die in Chloe's arms. *le sigh* In the very least, it probably will happen all in front of Clark again, just like the last time. The denial was still there post-"Eternal", but I'd doubt anyone would be denying anything the second time.

[paraxdisepink.livejournal.com]

Although I am suspicious the reason Clark didn't recognize her right away is because this Chloe - although the experience she described was traumatic - was telling him the version of the Chloe/Davis story he'd rather hear. That Chloe doesn't care for Davis like the denials he was clinging to last week, that she really wanted him dead. Which boy scout Clark was actually willing to go along with, right up until his conscience caught up with him.


Ugh. This. It's annoying and I hope the truth is closer to crazy motel room lovin of a more consensual and orgasmic nature.

Ollie has been pretty much funding the whole outfit, he going to keep chipping in for alimony even after the divorce?


Theirloveissover. And after Chloe ran off with Davis, Clark is so through with blondes.

Zod is going to be so pissed when he finds out his son has shacked up with a puny earthling.

Like he has a foot to stand on heh He wanted Lana. heh

[eido.livejournal.com]

It's annoying and I hope the truth is closer to crazy motel room lovin of a more consensual and orgasmic nature.

That certainly would drive home how little of a damsel-in-distress Chloe actually is or that her poor, poor virtue isn't out there being helplessly tarnished without the mighty n alpha white knight (with all his internal "I told you so"s) there to defend it.

Like he has a foot to stand on heh He wanted Lana. heh

Except Zod is capable of multi-tasking. Fucking Lana wouldn't have soured his plans for world domination. Davis' make w00bie eyes at Chloe, on the other hand, totally ruins the game. Faora was irritated when she happened upon him patching up a kid, what would Zod do realizing all that human carnage was foiled by the sweet, sweet lovin of a good (human) woman?

[paraxdisepink.livejournal.com]

That certainly would drive home how little of a damsel-in-distress Chloe actually is or that her poor, poor virtue isn't out there being helplessly tarnished without the mighty n alpha white knight (with all his internal "I told you so"s) there to defend it.

Which goes back to Clark only allowing people in Chloe's vagina that he's not threatened by (Jimmy). Davis is a no-no. It couldn't have been willingly. Oh Clark.

Except Zod is capable of multi-tasking. Fucking Lana wouldn't have soured his plans for world domination. Davis' make w00bie eyes at Chloe, on the other hand, totally ruins the game. Faora was irritated when she happened upon him patching up a kid, what would Zod do realizing all that human carnage was foiled by the sweet, sweet lovin of a good (human) woman?

Or maybe instead of getting pissed, he'll just get Chloe posessed with Faora instead and embark on a quest to repopulate his New Krypton. This would be really erm odd if it resulted in the Chlavis baby.

[eido.livejournal.com]

This would be really erm odd if it resulted in the Chlavis baby.

Unless she's already pregnant. Zod did seem very big on trying to propagate his lineage with human womens. First with Lana and if Doomy fails him? He'd probably be looking for a new candidate. Considering the intensity of the Chlavis chemistry? I could see the writers going for SW!Zod and AM!Faora just to keep SW/AM scenes in there somewhere. Although one way or another, I do think they realize they struck gold with with SW/AM scenes, so even if he's only playing Zod, I could still believe they'll be in some intense scenes together. Which would be so very, very messed up.