prophecies really suck, don't they?
Jul. 27th, 2004 03:10 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
retro_eidasI don't know why, but I'm sitting here time-wasting wondering what would happen if Voldemort somehow found out about the Prophecy. Just thinking about the Prophecy in general.
The thoughts I've been lingering on? Dude. Some really effing pretty shit.
Most of the HP contingent of my FL are probably familiar with my Weasley/White King crazy. All that spec about Voldie seducing someone who would likely learn about the prophecy. That's fucked up in itself.
The scenario I'm spazzing about now is Voldie/DEs kidnapping some of the Order and using them as a bargaining chip trying to get at Harry. "Give us Potter and we'll send you back your other allies we've abducted." Like what if they had Remus? Hermione? A handful of the Weasleys? Hogwarts teachers, students? All of the above? That certainly would be a conundrum, wouldn't it? Dumbledore is one of the few who knows exactly how important Harry is... how much would he be willing to sacrifice to keep Harry alive? However, Dumbledore also knows it can *only* be Harry who is destined to be murderer or victim. Would he just send Harry off to his fate at the mercies of Voldie and the DEs? Or would Dumbledore pull an Aslan and send himself off to be sacrificed in Harry's place? I've predicted a huge blow will slam the good guys in book 6 by the end. This hostage crisis (and this Dumbledore potential sacrifice?) would be a huge blow any way you slice it.
When I first read the prophecy on it's lonesome... it initially did nothing for me. Harry :gasps: either needs to kill or be killed? Isn't that pretty much what he was doing since the first book? w00t! That's shocking... in the not at all sort of way. It's only when this is put up against Voldemort learning about it... dude. Just scary, scary stuff there. Especially since we clearly see in OOTP how much of a cowering pussy Voldie apparently is at the prospect of death. He'd do anything to prevent Harry fulfilling his non-victim half of the Prophecy. Anything. That insane Weasley/White King stuff is one way. However, a "you or your friends" scenario is definitely another.
Something I forgot to add to this are my ponderings about Dumbledore and his dealings with the Prophecy. After we find out about the Prophecy in OOTP, you're left with the realization that DD has known about this for, what? About 16-17 years, right? Since I'm the average paranoid reader, this also makes you think back at what he must have done to prepare for the eventuality that this kid "vanquishes" Voldie... or else. I also remembered how omnipresent and all-powerful DD is, how he's always been presented, despite this flawed, emotionally-weak old man OOTP illustrated (or tried to illustrate. Superficially. Sorry, but the guy isn't some weakling in my eyes, he never has been). DD has massive godlike powers. He's somewhere between Gandalf and Professor Xavier in fictional omnipotent patriarchal figures. Grossly magically powerful and a frickin' mind reader (Legilimens/Occlumens)... and implied his presence can be anywhere / everywhere ("I don't need an invisibility cloak to be invisible"). And to top it off, we find out he's apparently been this ingenue from very early on in life (Marchbanks and DD's NEWTs). So... what has godlike, omniscient DD done to prepare Harry for this prophecy because you KNOW he's had to have done something?
DD says, I think in GOF, Harry was more well-protected then Voldie could ever know. How much has DD done exactly to protect Harry? Could it all be considered ethical under normal circumstances (but since these *aren't* normal circumstances, some exceptions have been made)? The first thing I think about is the abuse Harry suffered under the Dursleys for a decade. Sure sure, we know about this whole "blood protection" thing, but surely, someone as powerful and persuasive as DD has shown to be... he could have coaxed Petunia and her family to treat Harry a bit better than they obviously did? Why didn't he? From the looks of things, he didn't even seem to try. Ironically, Harry seems to have lived an awfully similar life to young Riddle. What an enormous coincidence... that doesn't seem to be at all coincidental. Heh.
I looked back at DD's various actions over the course of five books. Remembered every single seeming eccentricity (giving a mischieous, but still considerably defenseless 11 yr old an invisibility cloak, etc), every (supposed) awful lapse in judgement (Legilimens DD supposedly not seeing Quirrelldemort for what he was? Whuh?, etc), every weird / incomprehensible teacher hire (Snape, Lockhart, Hagrid, etc), his gratuitous Harry/Gryffindor favoritism (humiliating the Slytherins in the *first* end of the year feast, etc)? Has everything been for the lone purpose of this Prophecy? Scultping this savior of the WW? Was meeting Ron (a "blood traitor" pureblood) just a coincidence... or careful calculation? Meeting Hermione? Hagrid? Sirius' imprisonment (in both Azkaban *and* Grimmauld Place)... leading to his eventual death? The *death* itself? Despite his precautions, Faux!Moody putting Harry's name in the Goblet? The "look of triumph" in his eyes (GOF)? All of it... nothing more than careful, meticulous calculations to help Harry fulfill the right part of the prophecy? Voldemort chose and marked Harry... but is it DD who constructed this messiah? In a way, one could see Dumbledore as no better than Voldemort....but because there was no other choice. Unethical by necessity. Like Crouch's authorizations of Aurors using Unforgivables, but (supposedly) without Crouch's vengeful "eye for an eye" regime... but for this survival of the Wizarding World? Protect this boy? He accepted the professional, emotional, psychological, physical and/or ethical sacrifices, because this is how he believed it had to be... the other option is far worse? And I *stress* sacrifices because it's not only Harry who is having to endure them, but everyone else effected by DD's decisions. For example (and in theory), the students of Hogwarts aren't benefitting from these subpar to plain lousy DADA teachers, despite Harry learning some purportedly valuable life lesson from it all. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the diabolical Evil!Dumbledore theories, then the excuses are all pure fronts for the terrifying truth underneath.
How far has DD gone in not only trying to "protect Harry", but also prepare him for what he believes he has to do... or wants him to do?
When is Book 6 coming out again? UGH. Too far. Whatever the date.
The thoughts I've been lingering on? Dude. Some really effing pretty shit.
Most of the HP contingent of my FL are probably familiar with my Weasley/White King crazy. All that spec about Voldie seducing someone who would likely learn about the prophecy. That's fucked up in itself.
The scenario I'm spazzing about now is Voldie/DEs kidnapping some of the Order and using them as a bargaining chip trying to get at Harry. "Give us Potter and we'll send you back your other allies we've abducted." Like what if they had Remus? Hermione? A handful of the Weasleys? Hogwarts teachers, students? All of the above? That certainly would be a conundrum, wouldn't it? Dumbledore is one of the few who knows exactly how important Harry is... how much would he be willing to sacrifice to keep Harry alive? However, Dumbledore also knows it can *only* be Harry who is destined to be murderer or victim. Would he just send Harry off to his fate at the mercies of Voldie and the DEs? Or would Dumbledore pull an Aslan and send himself off to be sacrificed in Harry's place? I've predicted a huge blow will slam the good guys in book 6 by the end. This hostage crisis (and this Dumbledore potential sacrifice?) would be a huge blow any way you slice it.
When I first read the prophecy on it's lonesome... it initially did nothing for me. Harry :gasps: either needs to kill or be killed? Isn't that pretty much what he was doing since the first book? w00t! That's shocking... in the not at all sort of way. It's only when this is put up against Voldemort learning about it... dude. Just scary, scary stuff there. Especially since we clearly see in OOTP how much of a cowering pussy Voldie apparently is at the prospect of death. He'd do anything to prevent Harry fulfilling his non-victim half of the Prophecy. Anything. That insane Weasley/White King stuff is one way. However, a "you or your friends" scenario is definitely another.
Something I forgot to add to this are my ponderings about Dumbledore and his dealings with the Prophecy. After we find out about the Prophecy in OOTP, you're left with the realization that DD has known about this for, what? About 16-17 years, right? Since I'm the average paranoid reader, this also makes you think back at what he must have done to prepare for the eventuality that this kid "vanquishes" Voldie... or else. I also remembered how omnipresent and all-powerful DD is, how he's always been presented, despite this flawed, emotionally-weak old man OOTP illustrated (or tried to illustrate. Superficially. Sorry, but the guy isn't some weakling in my eyes, he never has been). DD has massive godlike powers. He's somewhere between Gandalf and Professor Xavier in fictional omnipotent patriarchal figures. Grossly magically powerful and a frickin' mind reader (Legilimens/Occlumens)... and implied his presence can be anywhere / everywhere ("I don't need an invisibility cloak to be invisible"). And to top it off, we find out he's apparently been this ingenue from very early on in life (Marchbanks and DD's NEWTs). So... what has godlike, omniscient DD done to prepare Harry for this prophecy because you KNOW he's had to have done something?
DD says, I think in GOF, Harry was more well-protected then Voldie could ever know. How much has DD done exactly to protect Harry? Could it all be considered ethical under normal circumstances (but since these *aren't* normal circumstances, some exceptions have been made)? The first thing I think about is the abuse Harry suffered under the Dursleys for a decade. Sure sure, we know about this whole "blood protection" thing, but surely, someone as powerful and persuasive as DD has shown to be... he could have coaxed Petunia and her family to treat Harry a bit better than they obviously did? Why didn't he? From the looks of things, he didn't even seem to try. Ironically, Harry seems to have lived an awfully similar life to young Riddle. What an enormous coincidence... that doesn't seem to be at all coincidental. Heh.
I looked back at DD's various actions over the course of five books. Remembered every single seeming eccentricity (giving a mischieous, but still considerably defenseless 11 yr old an invisibility cloak, etc), every (supposed) awful lapse in judgement (Legilimens DD supposedly not seeing Quirrelldemort for what he was? Whuh?, etc), every weird / incomprehensible teacher hire (Snape, Lockhart, Hagrid, etc), his gratuitous Harry/Gryffindor favoritism (humiliating the Slytherins in the *first* end of the year feast, etc)? Has everything been for the lone purpose of this Prophecy? Scultping this savior of the WW? Was meeting Ron (a "blood traitor" pureblood) just a coincidence... or careful calculation? Meeting Hermione? Hagrid? Sirius' imprisonment (in both Azkaban *and* Grimmauld Place)... leading to his eventual death? The *death* itself? Despite his precautions, Faux!Moody putting Harry's name in the Goblet? The "look of triumph" in his eyes (GOF)? All of it... nothing more than careful, meticulous calculations to help Harry fulfill the right part of the prophecy? Voldemort chose and marked Harry... but is it DD who constructed this messiah? In a way, one could see Dumbledore as no better than Voldemort....but because there was no other choice. Unethical by necessity. Like Crouch's authorizations of Aurors using Unforgivables, but (supposedly) without Crouch's vengeful "eye for an eye" regime... but for this survival of the Wizarding World? Protect this boy? He accepted the professional, emotional, psychological, physical and/or ethical sacrifices, because this is how he believed it had to be... the other option is far worse? And I *stress* sacrifices because it's not only Harry who is having to endure them, but everyone else effected by DD's decisions. For example (and in theory), the students of Hogwarts aren't benefitting from these subpar to plain lousy DADA teachers, despite Harry learning some purportedly valuable life lesson from it all. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the diabolical Evil!Dumbledore theories, then the excuses are all pure fronts for the terrifying truth underneath.
How far has DD gone in not only trying to "protect Harry", but also prepare him for what he believes he has to do... or wants him to do?
When is Book 6 coming out again? UGH. Too far. Whatever the date.
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