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retro_eidas ([personal profile] retro_eidas) wrote2004-05-10 11:34 pm

Weasley is Our (White) King CONT.

These various specs are in addendum to my Ron theory. They're not really all that vital, but they did have some part in why/how I pieced together the theory.

It's been illustrated in the books that there are supposed to be similarities between Harry and Voldemort, however, I do think there are extraneous circumstances to these similarities that may discredit their validity. Circumstances that may more highlight the differences between H/V then the two being the same.

  • Harry and Voldemort speak Parseltongue - However, this talent was given to Harry accidentally. Harry, as far as we know, doesn't have this talent naturally.
  • Harry and Voldemort have Phoenix-tail (Fawkes-tail) core wands - This could be because of Voldemort's accidental transferral of power. It may also illustrate a prominent trait between Harry and Voldemort, they're the same, yet different (Same amount of power, but used in different ways due to the choices they make. "After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things -- terrible, yes, but great." PS/SS Amer., ch. 5, p. 85). They are archnemeses from what we're told (thanks to the Prophecy).
  • Tom Riddle was a Slytherin, the Sorting Hat almost put Harry in Slytherin - Obviously, the difference in this is that Harry isn't in Slytherin. Why? Because Harry chose not to be there, even though the Hat was adamant he would be "great" in the House. Harry doesn't care for that greatness.
  • Both are famous - The difference between Harry and Voldemort is that Harry hates his fame. Voldemort takes pride in his infamy and the fear his very name induces in others.
  • Both had no parents so both had to resort to an alternate terrible upbringing - However, the fundamental difference between the situation is *both* of Harry's parents died while Riddle lost his mother, but was rejected by his father (Riddle Sr. not only rejected him, but his witch-mother as well). Harry certainly had/has no love from the Dursleys, but the Dursleys also made Harry feel they were in no way connected to him... so the rejection of people who are essentially strangers isn't as difficult to take as, perhaps, a parent's rejection. Harry's parents didn't reject him. Riddle Sr's rejection would have been a constant reminder for Tom growing up (named after him). Being rejected by his father must have made him question or even hate the essence of who he was. However, instead of coming to terms with what his father did in a rational way, he let his hatred, bitterness and anger overwhelm him to the point it led him to genocide. Illustrating again, the importance of choices.


There are probably more similarities I'm forgetting, but I wouldn't be surprised they too have extraneous circumstances surrounding them.

Now, for the similarities between Ron & Voldemort... I was able to come up with similarities easily enough (a little too easily), but what struck me as odd is that I was having much more difficulty finding extraneous circumstances around them, as I could with Harry & Voldemort. These similarities seemed much more straight forward.

  • Both were / felt neglected all their lives
  • Both are bitter with their lot in life
  • Neither are ever truly satisfied, they always want more.
  • Both are striving for greatness (Ron's image in the Mirror of Erised, Tom Riddle turning himself into the Dark Lord Voldemort)
  • Both had/have very meager upbringings that they're ashamed of
  • Both live in the shadow of more talented wizards or wizards that are proclaimed to be more talented / greater. (Ron has lived in the shadow of his more talented siblings and now his more talented best friends for years. Ron's inferiority [or means that might lead to feelings of inferiority] to Harry is drummed in painfully [but unintentionally] in OotP [i.e. Amer., ch. 9, p. 163] by Hermione herself. Voldemort's inferiority to Dumbledore is illustrated in Voldemort's fear and, more specifically, Harry's proclamation at the end of OotP to SpiritBook!Riddle that "Albus Dumbledore is the greatest sorcerer in the world!")
  • Both have/had "Scabbers" as a pet and/or Both have been referred to by "Scabbers" as Master
  • White King = Weasley King

  • Ron's broken wand threw a curse (aimed at an enemy) back at him, CoS
  • Voldemort lost all of his powers when Avada Kedavra (aimed at an enemy) bounced back at him.


Since this is short (since we know almost nothing about the four founder as yet), I'm throwing it in:

Ron & Salazar Slytherin similarities:
  • They're both purebloods
  • They both strive to greatness (A very Slytherin quality in general)

If there is anything to my Weasley is Our (White) King speculation, then there would be several more similarities, but since that is all speculation I'm leaving it out.

So... could the similarities between H/V be merely red herrings to hide the similarities between Ron / Voldemort before a possibly huge upcoming revelation? The H/V similarity red herring may also be a means to distract us from Harry most likely being the Heir of Gryffindor (Of which there is considerable evidence). Similarities to Voldemort would give one reason to question Harry being Gryffindor's Heir. Ron's whole family has been in Gryffindor for ages, so it would also make sense one would think he would be the better candidate for Gryffindor Heir... but then there's no telling if his family (or his ancestors) were always in Gryffindor. OotP and Weasleys' connection to the Blacks may have given us ample reason to suspect this.


This is a popular speculation tying Pettigrew, Percy and Ron together due to them all being tied to Pettigrew. "Scabbers" had been Percy's pet, but then passed down to Ron. "Scabbers", as we know, was actually an animagus named Peter Pettigrew. He'd been a spy for Voldemort and his betrayal of James & Lily killed them. He also framed Sirius for mass murder. It's been eluded by Dumbledore that because of a "life debt" Pettigrew now owes Harry, Pettigrew may do something to help Harry (to make amends for the life debt)... what that is exactly, is anyone's guess. Percy has seemingly betrayed his family and sided with the Ministry. However, I do think, and it's been speculated by several, that there is much more to this betrayal than meets the eye. The theories that Percy has been spying on the Ministry - and perhaps, in the future, the Death Eaters - for Dumbledore can sound like wishful thinking, but there are some intriguing ideas in these theories. Namely a possible parallel with Percy and The Scarlet Pimpernel. The hero of TSP was a spy by the name of Sir Percy. His alias had been "Weatherby" [also, coincidentally, the name Crouch kept calling Percy in GoF]. Percy has the traditional Weasley flaming red hair. Red = Scarlet. Hmm?

How does this tie into the "Weasley is Our (White) King" speculation? The parallel illustrates the fall (via betrayal) but also the potential redemption of these three characters. Just as the speculation illustrates the fall and redemption of Ron. Hence, a Pettigrew/Percy/Ron Parallel may be a clue to a pattern JKR is following.


In my WiO(W)K speculation, I hypothesized a possible romantic connection between Godric Gryffindor and Rowena Ravenclaw. What have I found that may support this? Honestly... not much. This is thanks to there being almost little to nothing about Gryffindor or Ravenclaw in the books, besides general or vague descriptions from the Sorting Hat and a bit from Dumbledore.

For theory's sake, let's just say Harry is indeed the true Heir of Gryffindor. Barring Ginny (which I'll explain in depth later), who are the characters often identified as love interests or possible love interests in the series?
  • Cho Chang
  • Luna Lovegood
  • Hermione Granger

What do all these girls have in common? They all have a connection to Ravenclaw. Cho and Luna were both sorted into the House. Hermione was almost sorted there, but the Hat decided on Gryffindor instead.

Ironic, all the women (besides Ginny) that have or could possibly be romantically connected to Harry - theoretically, the Heir of Gryffindor - have all been connected to Ravenclaw as well.

However, the tie between Ravenclaw to Gryffindor isn't as definite. Then again, Ravenclaw-Connected Hermione's two main potential love interests throughout the series are both Gryffindors. Ron and Harry. Hermione had a crush on Gilderoy Lockhart in CoS, if I'm not mistaken, Lockhart was a Gryffindor when he was at Hogwarts. Then again, there's Viktor Krum... however, Viktor may have also been a parallel to Harry (a Gryffindor). Two "brave" (a Gryffindor quality), famous, talented Seekers (who cared nothing about their fame) with dark looks and a vast knowledge & skill with DADA. Both champions of their respective schools in the Triwizard Tournament. Is Viktor a Gryffindor-by-default perchance due to his similarities to Harry?

Hermione has often been portrayed as being a cut above the rest in intelligence ("You're the cleverest witch of your age I've ever met, Hermione." - Lupin, PoA). Hermione may be smarter than most of the House that values "books and cleverness" the most (i.e. Terry Boot, Ravenclaw, awestruck that Hermione could do the NEWT level Protean Charm). It really makes me think Hermione is indeed the Heir of Ravenclaw.

My WiO(W)K spec and also eluded repeatedly in the books is the theme of history repeating itself. Harry is the mirror image of his father. The Sorting Hat's warnings of history repeating itself (which it's done before, several times presumedly, according to Nearly Headless Nick). Dobby's warning in CoS and the return of the horror of the Chamber of Secrets. The similarities (& differences) between the Marauders and Harry & his friends. Etc. Etc.

If Harry's (Heir of Gryffindor) and Hermione's (Heir of Ravenclaw) love interests are any indication, following the major theme of history repeating itself *and* the disruption of the founders friendship .... Godric Gryffindor had romantic ties to Ravenclaw? Rowena Ravenclaw romantic ties to Gryffindor? More specifically, Godric and Rowena were romantically linked? Also note, Harry's girlfriend Cho and Hermione's boyfriend Viktor have displayed jealousy (Viktor for Harry's closeness to Hermione and Cho for Hermione's closeness to Harry, obviously). Jealousy. Either/or standing alone may mean nothing (H/Hr are very close friends after all)... but tying this in with Godric/Rowena/Salazar?

On that same vein, could we also have clues for a romantic conflict, a triangle, between Godric, Rowena and Salazar Slytherin? Going with my spec of Ron being the Heir of Slytherin. Ron's (former) romantic interests are *also* been linked to Ravenclaw.
  • Padma Patil
  • Luna Lovegood
  • Hermione Granger


The various other Heirs over generations have also been romantically linked, but none of them have come close to mending the 1000 yr old House breach (curse?) still in tact?

Godric and Rowena. A tortured, unrequitted love passed down through the generations. Godric, Rowena and Salazar... romantic pain passed down from generations. Is the newest generation fated to recreate these same trials? To what ends?

Editing this because I forgot to add... It's possible Rowena couldn't or wouldn't choose between Godric or Salazar, afraid of the outcome this might have had on the Founders' friendship. She keeps them both at bay (i.e. Hermione's Christmas presents to Harry & Ron in OotP). Being the Ravenclaw she is, she was trying to come up with an analytical way to deal with her complicated feelings (and also those of her friends) without affecting the Founders' friendship (i.e. This could be why Hermione seemingly reacts so personally and seems to know so very much about the nature of Cho's emotional plight [Cedric or Harry?]. She can relate to Cho - despite barely being acquaintances - because she's going through a very similar emotional situation. She's considerably insulted when Ron questions anyone being able to feel that much after describing what Cho is going through. She was, in a sense, also describing what SHE was going through, so Ron questioning Cho's feelings, he was also questioning her feelings). She may have even tried to bring in an *outside love interest* (i.e. Hermione apparently still writes Viktor) to try to dissuade Godric and Salazar (Even if Rowena likely knew she didn't feel for this *outside love interest* the way she felt for either of her friends). Then the "external, deadly foes" come... the decision is basically taken out of Rowena's procrastinating hands. Rowena and Godric always tended to depend more on each other in times of crisis (The brains and the brawn, after all). Together, they were a dynamic team. Because of the increasing crisis, Godric and Rowena were spending more and more time together... which made Salazar increasingly jealous and bitter (Salazar also being affected by these "external, deadly foes", but not necessarily in the same way as G or R. Something G/R weren't immediately seeing due to the crisis and getting more enveloped in each other). Even if either perhaps insisted nothing was going on... and there probably was something going on, whether or not they admitted it (Thanks to the increased time they were spending and working together thanks to the crisis. A dangerous situation made them, at least Rowena, realize what they feel for each other and how well they fit together). Godric may have believed as Rowena did that it may have been better to keep quiet about things, considering Salazar's temperment and it being a time of crisis for Hogwarts, the school's welfare coming first. Of course, keeping quiet sounds good in theory but is probably the very worst thing they could have done. Obviously, Salazar finds out about Godric/Rowena anyway and although he's furious at them, he still stays for the sake of Hogwarts... but due to other situations going on (Salazar's opinions on the importance of blood)... whatever crisis they'd been facing (topped off with Godric/Rowena lying to him and his own beliefs) compels Salazar to leave (perhaps to avoid something more catastrophic happening to Hogwarts). However, it's exactly because of this breach (whatever it's reasons), Hogwarts is now cursed. The "external, deadly foes" have won... but then the victory isn't complete because Hogwarts wasn't destroyed completely (Probably having something to do with the Sorting Hat's existance). Godric and Rowena, ashamed of what they'd done to Salazar (blaming themselves and partly their relationship for his leaving), broke things off. Gryffindor, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff eventually went their separate ways. Thus sealing the 1000 yr old curse of Hogwarts... but not destroying it.

Of course, the Sorting Hat created before all of this happened, would probably know all of this. It's likely been trying these past 1000 years to fix the breach via it's Sorting. If Harry, Ron, Hermione and Neville are all each Heirs to the four Hogwarts Houses, the Sorting Hat likely knows it (Seeing in their minds what they can't see themselves). It's interesting they all seemed to end up in Gryffindor. Gryffindor, the House of bravery... and the Heirs most certainly will need to be brave considering what they're facing (Second Wizarding War). It's possible the Sorting Hat foresaw an impending conflict (with Harry Potter - Voldemort's nemesis - and the rest of the true Heirs now all together in Hogwarts under Albus Dumbledore, another nemesis of Voldemort's). Of course, the Hat wasn't originally going to put Harry (and Hermione incidentally) in Gryffindor. Harry almost went to Slytherin and Hermione nearly went to Ravenclaw (I wouldn't be surprised Neville also almost went to Hufflepuff). I could imagine the Sorting Hat wanting to put Harry (Heir of Gryffindor) in Slytherin perhaps because of the reasons why - at least in the Sorting Hat's estimation - Godric and Salazar had a parting of ways. Godric and Salazar, the best of friends once, came to a point where they just couldn't understand each other and their ideals became completely different, perhaps violently so (The Hat does mentions duels as well as disagreements). This was aggravated by Godric and Rowena's relationship and the "external, deadly foes". The Hat tried to put Harry in Slytherin in an attempt for Godric's Heir to understand Slytherin more. The same goes for the generations of Weasleys [Heir(s) of Slytherin] sorted into Gryffindor. The Weasleys, however, have had a more concentrated, long-term focus by the Hat perhaps because the Hat believes it was Slytherin, due to his pre-existant "pureblood" (bigoted) ideals, who was most susceptible to the "external, deadly foes" and catalyst that started Hogwarts "crumbling from within". That Hat was trying to squash Slytherin's predisposed bigotry and favoring of purebloodedness. Which seemed to have worked - to an extent - the Weasleys are most popularized in the books for being "blood traitors" and "muggle lovers". I say "to an extent", however, because even if they are much more acceptant of muggles than some wizards (than there ancestor had been, for example).. they are *still* purebloods. Ron even mentions they have a muggle in the family (an accountant) "but they don't talk about her much". That old adage, "Old habits die hard" holds true here. Slytherin's Heir needed to understand, more than the rest, trust in and patience with his friends (especially if there is an [inevitable?] recreation of Godric/Rowena in the newest generation) and learn to accept the ideals of others even if he didn't agree with them. Unfortunately, if there is anything to this spec, I already see similar problems forming between the Heirs. History is starting to repeat itself. Especially with the current Heir of Slytherin, hence, arose my Ron spec.

As I said in the WiO(W)K spec, James/Lily may have come close to fulfilling Godric/Rowena's former relationship and possibly heading towards a mending of the 1000 yr old breach/curse of Hogwarts, but "External, deadly foes" (OotP Sorting Hat song) ended it (by killing them).

I think it would make more sense (narratively, that is) if it were students currently attending Hogwarts who mended the breach. James/Lily started dating there seventh year (fulfilling one part of the countercurse), but it wasn't until they were out of school they (theoretically) were coming closer to breaking the Hogwarts curse... and hence, possibly were already out of the running to fix things?

On a sidenote: I wonder if "Voldemort" was ever truly a real person.... but a sentient curse? Not sure how I can explain what I'm saying, but perhaps in the Wizarding World, a curse can exist so long and grow to such magnitude, it finally takes a physical form? The form of Lord Voldemort?